Can, Abba, Rolling Stones, Bowie
― peter in montreal, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I think they'd all get plenty of votes, but, what to delete?
Maybe just buy a copy of Mojo and see who isn't mentioned?
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link
lol Matt DC, high five
― les yeux sans aerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Beach Boys, The Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order
― iatee, Tuesday, July 6, 2010
Yep.
― BEAROTAURDED (jjjusten), Tuesday, July 6, 2010
Thirded, the only tough one for me was Stones vs CCR. I went with the Stones whose quantity of quality trumps CCR's quality of quantity.
― strong boy burger (KMS), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
So how do you decide who advances here? I can imagine two options:
The set of four bands that wins the poll advances.
The four bands with the highest number of votes within their brackets advance.
I'm pretty sure that it is mathematically possible for these two options to yield different results.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
its the four bands with the highest number of votes w/in their brackets
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 6 July 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
lol things lots of people agree on are generally boring and safe omg what a zing
― iatee, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
can BIG CCR new order; BIG won in penalty kix
― 69, Thursday, 8 July 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
okay inspired by 69 and the world cup I am going to enact a penalty kick system for ties
poll w/ 5 songs by one artist vs. 5 songs by the other
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Can, ABBA, Stones, Bowie
Couple of tough choices there, but Can and ABBA weren't among them.
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Thursday, 8 July 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
How are you determining the winner of these? Because just allowing the winning combination to go through is a bit flawed, IMO.
Imagine, for instance, a poll with these results:
Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, David Bowie 15Can, ABBA, Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 14Can, ABBA, Rolling Stones, David Bowie 14Can, ABBA, CCR, Joy Division/New Order 12Can, ABBA, CCR, David Bowie 10Can, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 9Can, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, David Bowie 8Can, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, Joy Division/New Order 7Can, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, David Bowie 5Beach Boys, ABBA, Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 4Beach Boys, ABBA, Rolling Stones, David Bowie 4Beach Boys, ABBA, CCR, Joy Division/New Order 3Beach Boys, ABBA, CCR, David Bowie 3Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, Joy Division/New Order 2Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., Rolling Stones, David Bowie 2Beach Boys, Notorious B.I.G., CCR, Joy Division/New Order 1
Going by the poll results alone, this would put the Beach Boys, Biggie, CCR, and Bowie through.
However, if you actually count the number of total votes each act got, it looks like this:
Can 79ABBA 64Bowie 61Stones 57CCR 56JD/NO 52Biggie 49Beach Boys 34
― jaymc, Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:41 (thirteen years ago) link
(I suppose there's another configuration that would allow the same quartet at the top but with Joy Division/New Order getting more votes than Bowie. I've already put too much thought into this to figure it out, though.)
― jaymc, Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
he's doing the second thing that you did, the poll's just structured like this so that we don't need 4 separate poll threads
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
OK good!
― jaymc, Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
This will be a trainwreck
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I know huh
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link
if someone can think of a better penalty kick system I will consider it, but it has to be:
a. a system where each artist wins x/5 in an arbitrary manner that is basically unrelated to the overall pollb. trainwrecky
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link
For each of the five songs on each list, we have a poll on whether that song sucks or not, & if we vote "sucks" then that's like a blocked kick.
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
how do we pick the songs?
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
There's the trainwreck right there
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I will fight anyone who picks the wrong Can songs
random selection from old POX threads in the archive
― ciderpress, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that to pick the five songs, we have to have polls.
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link
ohhhhhh CCR = creedence clearwater revival. i've heard half of one of their songs ever, at a bbq
See, this makes me feel better about being the guy who has never heard "Umbrella," because it's equally strange to me to imagine never having heard CCR -- they are not now top 40 obv. but the songs are pop standards, are background music for a thousand things, you hear it in the grocery... then again I am a dad so maybe the songs are played in some frequency only I can hear?
Anyway, CCR vs. Stones is interesting -- I feel like one wants to vote down RS for their last 25 years of "strangely, we still exist" but I think Rolling Stones had a higher peak -- sort of a Martinez vs. Maddux thing
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Also I assume you're American?
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
man I think nothing riles me up more re. lol Britain vs. USA than the proud provinciality of Britishes against CCR: like, I get that your country didn't really get with these guys back in the day, but that's nothing to brag about! You can make up for that sad mistake! It's not like CCR was the Blur of their day.
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I find the concept of never hearing CCR pretty strange since they are such a staple, but I can totally buy that it's a US vs. UK thing, it doesn't really bother me.
Has Lex at least ever heard Ike and Tina Turner do "Proud Mary"?
― Moodles, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
a) there are worse things that britishers are provincial about (HIP-HOP) (R&B), i rail against my countrymen all the timeb) there are plenty of things that americans are totally, unashamedly provincial about, so uh physician heal thyself or sthc) i don't even know the names of any CCR tracksd) i've heard "proud mary" but it's one of those cultural osmosis things in that i'm not quite sure which version or when
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe it was this version?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XRNQ2C2x0
― Moodles, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Or possibly this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfyEpmQM7bw&feature=related
Eh, well, you're wrong there. CCR were pretty popular in the UK "back in the day", but their popularity hasn't persisted, but that's hardly unusual. Also we don't have Classic Rock stations or anything like that over here, I wouldn't expect to hear Deep Purple or 10cc or whatever much in the UK either
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
'british person at a BBQ' seemed like a stranger idea to me than 'lex hadn't heard CCR'
is it really that common there?
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah lex I give you a pass since 60s rock is totally not your bag; it's other Britishes who fuck with 60s, but don't "get" CCR and make a point of it, where I'm exasperated. Like I gather that Tom D.'s point about was just that, like "why should CCR be on a UK rock fan's radar?".
xp right, and cool @ no classic rock radar, but if you're a fan of 60s rock (like the Stones) then why single out CCR as "just" American? Note I am supposing that you are a fan of 60s rock, o/w why bother commenting on CCR vs. Stones.
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
actually what this gets at is why the Young Rascals are obscure but I gather my reasoning there will be hard to follow so whatever
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
It definitely brings up this weird contrast of a British band copping an "American" vibe versus an American band working in a similar area. There's this weird implication that the British version is the only relevant one because it is at a remove from the real thing and thus can be enjoyed as "artful" or even "ironic".
― Moodles, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Like I gather that Tom D.'s point about was just that, like "why should CCR be on a UK rock fan's radar?"
No, that's not even close, more that you would not hear CCR "in a grocery" in the UK, nor is it "background music for a thousand things" in the UK. Ditto Deep Purple, or ... basically take your pick of late 60s/ early 70s rock bands.
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
... be they British or American or whatever
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
CCR were dudes from berkeley copping a southern vibe xp
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link
true
― Moodles, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
ok! I guess I'm just interpolating from other threads where UK posters seemed to be saying something stronger about CCR, like, what's so great about them? To the extent they're part of the ILM canon, it's not b/c they're seen as just some great instance of 60s rock---it's that they're sui generis, i.e. the lone chooglers.
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just interpolating from other threads where UK posters seemed to be saying something stronger about CCR, like, what's so great about them?
Springsteen deserves this, not CCR.
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the biggest springsteen fanatic I know is irish, weirdly enough
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
and like, he's the follow tour around europe type
ok---so what's the British equivalent of Springsteen in this regard, meaning an act who Britishes adore & sells out massive stadia across the land, whilst Americans roll their eyes?
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm British and relatively youngish and 'Bad Moon Rising' totally permeated my consciousness through films, TV, general ubiquity. I don't get how you could not have heard at least one CCR song.
― emil.y, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
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James Brown vs Wu-Tang? That's just cruel.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway back on the CCR/RS - 'faking southern music' - if the RS were from say, boston, but their music was 100% the same, would their southern-sounding stuff be accepted as authentic in the same way that CCR's is? how much british is actually hiding in the music?
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
T Rex, Slade, Status Quo - these are most like CCR, I think
I was being cheeky about Springsteen, he has millions of fans here, he just makes me roll my eyes
― Oracle Crackers (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
fogerty on 'born on the bayou':
""Born on the Bayou" was vaguely like "Porterville," about a mythical childhood and a heat-filled time, the Fourth of July. I put it in the swamp where, of course, I had never lived. It was late as I was writing. I was trying to be a pure writer, no guitar in hand, visualizing and looking at the bare walls of my apartment. Tiny apartments have wonderful bare walls, especially when you can't afford to put anything on them. "Chasing down a hoodoo." Hoodoo is a magical, mystical, spiritual, non-defined apparition, like a ghost or a shadow, not necessarily evil, but certainly other-worldly. I was getting some of that imagery from Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters. "
― iatee, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
re. the Stones, I'm guessing you mean post-1968? b/c before that the Britishness is overt. After 1968 it's still there: in the distance Jagger puts on with his twangy vocals, in the lyrical detachment regarding race in "Brown Sugar"; and more critically, in their ability to move between different genres of American dance music from the 60s onward without ever having to own any of them.
― Euler, Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link