Van Morrison's Astral Weeks: Classic or Dud

the live show was so bad

the whole thing just felt like some sick parody

You know I come back to this every six months or so bcz of "The Way Young Lovers Do," which I will listen to on repeat for great whiles, and still not even kind of appreciate the rest. Which has lead me to instead pull out Live at Sin-é and just listen to jeff Buckley (tho him re-peating the title at the end is not so good but I do enjoy the whole album).

I'm part stupid, though.

Ballerina is really underappreciated I think, that creeping melody, he keeps pulling so gently and then on "Ba-a-ller-ina-a" it just unravels

^ Yeah, not his best song but a great performance.

Ballerina is my favorite song on Astral Weeks, and by Van, or probably anybody.

Bimble's never heard Astral Weeks.

^^thought this post was gonna be by bimble

Funny how so many people agree they can't listen to the entire album regularly, but only their favorite parts. Also funny how we can't agree on what the "good parts" are.

good stuff here
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/arts-entertainment/article/2015/03/24/van-morrison-astral-weeks/
“The untold story of how Van Morrison fled record-industry thugs, hid out in Boston, and wrote one of rock’s greatest albums.”

That's a pretty great story. And I wish the money, time, and energy that went into "Astral Works Live!" a few years ago had instead gone into releasing these tapes:

During one of these Catacombs performances, Morrison’s new friend Peter Wolf set up a tape recorder in the corner, capturing the entire concert on a reel-to-reel. Morrison performed nearly all of Astral Weeks these nights with the Boston trio, and Wolf has the audio to prove it. The existence of the tapes has become, for Morrison fans, a kind of holy grail. When I asked Wolf if anyone has ever heard the recordings he made, Wolf paused for a moment. “Not,” he finally said, “for a very, very, very long time.”

yeah that is crazy. wonder if we'll ever get to hear that?

there was a bit in an old boston phoenix article on wolf's apartment --
"Walls of music and books, art, antiques (he has a 1955 Seeburg jukebox in mint condition, for one). Mementos everywhere, some more obvious than others: zebra shoes from J. Geils's 'Sanctuary' tour; a tape reel sitting on a stack of books with the first recorded version of songs that would end up on Van Morrison's Astral Weeks."
take care of that reel, dude!

little bit more from the author of the boston magazine piece
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA3ucCMWUAAFKyN.jpg

Instead we get Van's new duets album, which this critic actually liked. Not sure if any Astral Weeks songs are redone on it.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/take-two-van-morrisons-duets/

Not sure about several things after reading that...but will check it out (glad she mentioned his early solo stuff; Bang Masters is pretty fun).

who knows, i've been pleasantly surprised by the 21st century van i've heard (but my expectations have been low)

Also, speaking of duets, some good 'uns with John Lee Hooker (incl. on the Hook's great kosmic house party Never Get Out of These Blues Alive).

They were right behind my head on the bookshelf in his place the whole time.

"HEY PETER, LOOK OVER THERE!" (yoink!)

Major missed opportunity.

some supplementary stuff from the author: http://ryanhamiltonwalsh.tumblr.com/post/114507400511/venturing-in-the-slipstream

Great article! So much more revealed in 2 pages than the entire Boston section of the Clinton Heylin Van bio. I hope Foyle's working on a book - seems like he's got tons more.

I mean Walsh

yeah seems like he wants to expand it -- for a guy as famous as van morrison, a lot of his life is pretty murky.
also important- janet planet's etsy store: https://www.etsy.com/shop/lovebeadsbyjp

^^Ha! I dug out Tupelo Honey last night and got to thinking about what happened to her after seeing all those photos of she & Van together in the artwork.

can't say "selling love beads on etsy" is a huge surprise twist ending to the janet planet story. it's not exactly m night shyamalan territory.

i've been listening to the duets record a lot for... reasons. anyway it's pretty all right overall but still feels kind of unnecessary, as i'd say the original production and instrumentation of the '80s and '90s songs he revisits is part of their appeal. low point is joss stone kinda just dully bleating over "wild honey," one of my favorite van songs.

Not looking forward to hearing Buble with him.

That Walsh article is a great read.

Not looking forward to hearing Buble with him.

that's one of the better ones tbh, but it's because "real real gone" is a great enough song to withstand buble

Buble's "Moondance," which my sister used to blast 10 years ago, is not terrible.

trying to think of any really outstanding van covers (that aren't "gloria") ... i guess bowie's here comes the night qualifies, though van didn't write it.

huh, that's interesting - he writes one song that everyone in the world covered, then nobody ever covers him again.

i mean - that's pretty common for one-hit wonders I guess but odd for a guy held up as a great songwriter with dozens of albums in the same league as often-covered dudes like Neil Young and Leonard Cohen

i guess i'm ok w/ the mellencamp/ndegoecello wild nights... robyn hitchcock does a couple of nice veedon fleece covers

Sandy Dirt (an Al Larsen spinoff band iirc) does a very nice version of "Slim Slow Slider", not on Youtube though

I also see that Peter Laughner covered that on his "last tape"

that article is fascinating btw

I've probably listened to Veedon Fleece and the Bang sessions records more than anything at this point. I overdosed on Astral Weeks at one point and don't pull it out much any more - though I did a late night long drive at Xmas with Astral Weeks blasting as my family somehow slept and it was fantastic. TB Sheets and the O.G. Madame George on Bang still kill me every time.

I put Astral Weeks on last night and read parts of that (un-fucking-believably great) Bangs essay to my wife, we got choked up

bangs also did notes for the 2-record reissue of Them albums, but even better (cos more music) is the 2-CD The Story of Them Featuring Van Morrison, which about spoiled me; couldn't go back to his solo career for a while. Nevertheless, besides the ones already mentioned here recently, his '74 double-live with the Caledonia Soul Orchestra, Too Late To Stop Now is a must; ditto St. Dominic's Preview, Into The Music, and, while it isn't quite up to those standards, Wavelength is good too.

here's that bangs essay... http://zito.biz/memorial/lb/bylesterbangs/onThem.htm

re: Covers--Are we forgetting Rod's version of "Have I Told You Lately?"

A bunch of people have done "Crazy Love", including Bryan Ferry(!) on the soundtrack to She's Having A Baby(!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvbspVa2ZIY

welllllll i was trying to think of "really outstanding" van covers.

dexys.

lol at paste magazine picking glen hansard's astral weeks as the best one here -- yeccch, not even gonna listen: http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/lists/2012/08/10-best-van-morrison-covers.html
this is kinda happening though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DxrEt3MtLk

Oh, come to think of it, Maria McKee did a really good version of "The Way Young Lovers Do."

That Ferry cover isn't that bad.

The Dexys' "Jackie Wilson" is aces.

McKee also did a pretty great version of "My Lonely Sad Eyes."

does art garfunkel's "i shall sing" count, being the first-released/definitive version? such a banger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoktzdzCwMg

more like asstral squeaks (farts)

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Astral Weeks (1968)
- With the chance to make his own record, Morrison came up with this, basically soft rock recorded with jazz musicians (including the Modern Jazz Quartet's Connie Kay on drums). Which might sound not too different from what Simon & Garfunkel were doing at the time, but where Simon's work is carefully composed, arranged and produced, Morrison relies on sponaneity. The liner notes brag that Morrison cut the album in two days, and you know, it sounds like it: the lyrics are stream of consciousness, and usually the tunes seesaw endlessly between two or three chords. The musicians sound like they don't know what he's getting at, and the fact that most of the songs have no clear melody doesn't help. Morrison's fans often cite this as their favorite album, because there aren't a lot of distractions from his distinctive, half-spoken vocals. But if you're just getting into him, you're probably better off with Moondance -- unless you're a fan of New Age music. (DBW)
http://www.warr.org/vanmorrison.html#AstralWeeks

― Jazzbo, Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:01 PM (6 years ago)

lol, i remember reading this review at that site back when i was in high school. didn't quite appreciate its tone-deafness back then.