Do you ever read one of Christgau's reviews and go, What the hell is he talking about?

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Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 February 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)

I like this one best:

http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0543/ann-xgau.jpg

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 February 2006 10:52 (twenty years ago)

Rock crit tries to dress as cool as the bands he covers, fails miserably... film at 11.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

I second the reading of these in hushed/moony Garrison Keillor tones.

On Hysteria
by R. Christgau

You know about the music,
and if you don't think you'll like it
you won't:

impeccable pop metal
of no discernible content,
it will inspire active interest
only in AOR programmers
and the several million addicts
of the genre.

In short,
it's product--
but as product, significant,
because it's product for the CD age.

Stuck with over an hour of material
after four years
(after all, could twelve songs be any shorter?),
they elected to put it all on one disc
because as technocrats
they instinctively conceive for formats
that can accommodate an hour of music:
cassettes, which now outsell vinyl discs,
and CDs, which outdollar them.

The cassette sound
is a little too dim,
as commercial cassette sound usually is,
and though I sometimes
find myself preferring
the depth of the vinyl
once I've turned my amp up
to six or seven,

the clarity of the CD
gets more and more decisive
as the needle approaches
the outgroove.

I mean,
I have trouble perceiving these guys
as human beings
under ideal circumstances.

Not docked a notch
because at least they didn't
pad it into a double.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)

On The Ascension
by R. Christgau

Okay,
so he makes hot
"experimental"
("serious") ("classical") ("new")
music.

What we wanna know
is whether it's cool
rock and roll
("rock").

Not by me.

It's great sonically,
with ringing overtones
that remind me of a carillon
or the Byrds,

but the beat's overstated
and the sense of structure
(i.e. climax)
mired in nineteenth-century
corn.

This can be endearing
in Pete Townshend
or Bruce Springsteen
(maybe even opera),

but it sounds weak-minded
in an artist of such otherwise
austere means.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

(sorry susan)

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Isn't 'inserting' affect refering to the aforementioned allusion to Love Me Do, and, I would think, to some of the samples on Blue Monday, etc. (that *was* on the US version of the album wasn't it?)

which isn't the same as actually conveying an emotional connect with whatever affect was inserted, nor is it the same as expressing your own emotion (or even convincingly simulating it, which would be fine enough).

Thanks, slb, I think that's probably the best explanation I've read about what Christgau could possibly be on about in that New Order review. I think that's probably what he meant. New Order are neither expressing nor simulating an emotion (because that would mean suggesting that they themselves are experiencing the emotion) - rather they are presenting an emotion to us as a scientist might present a bacterium on a slide - something for our dispassionate and objective perusal.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Psychoanalysis (What Is It?)

Melding classic reggae and
Miami booty-bass,
Muddy Waters harp and
Schoolly-D scratch,
cocktail vibes and
sacred quartet.

The Native Tongue beatmaster
turned gravedigging heretic

assembles
"senseless skitstyle material"
by

"a motley crew of ill
characters and cronies
from around the way who
resemble a P-Funk on crack

(wait, P-Funk was on crack)"

into a disturbing laff
riot whose dramaturgy is

more musical than De La Soul's songs.

There's even a sweet-chorused
romantic ballad about
rape and homicide

two of each
but don't worry--
they're only a dream,

with a fake Viennese
muttering eager encouragement
in the background.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

The War on Errorism

Unlike most punk lifers,
they've always yukked it up,
accepted outsiders,
and thought about

their feelings.

So I was pleased
rather than surprised
to learn that they'd
made their politics explicit.

Their attacks on religion
and hater hating
are right on

And why shouldn't
the guy who reads Zinn
and Chomsky
and then votes Nader
be confused?

Concomitantly
I was disappointed
rather than surprised
to find that the songs
about their personal world
are deeper than those
about our political one.

So
I'm glad quadriplegic Nubs
gets her impolitic two minutes.

And
my hopes for all humanity
leap

when a boy and girl
fall in love over the vinyl
they both own.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Tea in Marrakech

These 15 songs
are Muslim
like Philip Roth
is Jewish
irreverently, idiosyncratically, and to the marrow

Their North African provenance
means their sense of Islam is at least
unorthodox
and often
cosmopolitan/European

and so, of course, does their pop provenance

East-West instrument mixing
is standard
mystical intensity
a hook
Women
hold their own

Some of these professional entertainers
are seekers after the catchy tune
others folkloric types
who sound authentic to us and impure to adepts
and as many come from Paris or Barcelona
as from Cairo or Marrakech

You wouldn't think to listen
that they're all championing a cultural tendency under attack
But Islamists hate them as much as they hate us

if not more.

Chuck B, Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)

NYC ILMers now organizing Xgau poetry reading.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

I totally do not understand how anything in that New Order review is less than crystal-clear and OTM

-- Thomas Tallis (tallis4...), February 8th, 2006 6:20 PM.

I'd agree, but its posting was followed by a host of ostensibly intelligent people debating its meaning at great length, a course of events which unfortunately renders your allegation specious.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

when a boy and girl
fall in love over the vinyl
they both own.

This makes for a marvelous near-haiku in its own right, worthy of contemplation and bearing multiple meanings.

They both own.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)

NYC ILMers now organizing Xgau poetry reading.
"ver dean, as he was meant to be read"

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

i have a suspicion he's going to sue us for publishing his writing in altered form.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

That would have a chilling effect on ILM's ability to mock rock critics.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

or in his case, appreciate and enjoy rock critics. but yeah, probably not a real issue.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

NYC ILMers now organizing Xgau poetry reading.

I was going to let someone else suggest it first

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

I read this article three times and still don't get what he's driving at. Can someone who speaks Xgau translate it for me?

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/rock/dylan-05.php

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Paragraph 1: Dylan's cool, but Dylanites are on the whole pretty annoying
Graf 2: As history, Dylan's book is a decent primary source; as a music critic, Dylan is right fucking on most of the time - he (Dylan) mentions that his fellow-traveler Dave Van Ronk claims to have found Robert Johnson derivative on first hearing
Graf 3: in case you don't know who Dave Van Ronk is, here's some information about him, courtesy of an Elijah Wald-compiled bio/memoir of Van Ronk
Graf 4: but wait! Wald claims to have passed over a 1961 Van Ronk cover of Johnson's If I Had Possession Over Judgement Day when compiling a Van Ronk compilation! What do we make of this? Is Dylan, as is sometimes his wont, casting people in a certain light - perhaps rendering them as characters?
Graf 5: The story "matters," or at least is interesting, because the myth of early-sixties Greenwich Village has an impact on the history of rock music; it matters to people who dig Van Ronk because Van Ronk appears to have either been passed over, or to have opted out. This makes for a broader view of a specific cultural history.

that's what I got anyhow - I don't think he's driving at a HUGE point, just doing rock history, which I rather enjoy

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

oh add to Graf 1: Dylanites & old folkies are also unreliable historians...(to Graf 2) or are they?

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)

I guess you're counting the intro as Graf 0. My interpretation of your Count 5, I mean Graf 5, is that he is underlining the difference between Van Ronk, a very talented musician at the top of, but still somehow limited by, the parameters of the folk game, and Dylan, the intuitive musical genius and sponge who sucked up bits and pieces of music from all genres with regard to questions of propriety. Or something like that. I think he was pretty much spot on throughout that whole article and I, um, had no trouble following it.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

That's because in your head you were inserting line breaks and stanzas...

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Regardless of what it might say about UK racial politics, I don't think that Bloc Party blurb actually says anything about what the music on the album sounds like, which was my point. But, really, what is even saying by calling them "Benetton boys"? That the singer (!) is a token member? That their integrated nature makes them fashionable? Just that they're reflective of modern Western society?

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)

"he even saying"

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

I disagree with what was said above about Christgau's dismissive reviews. Because the dismissiveness is consistent but not too much so, it sheds light on what his tastes are which is ultimately what this is all about. Plus, the mere fact that he puts words next to a record's name is a meaningful act, since he ignores so many. That's my personal beef with him; given how short and occasionally flippant the reviews are, why the silent treatment for many popular albums without a word on the band at all. Among the records that get the "dud,", or worse, "Neither" treatment:

Björk, Debut
Placebo, Without You I'm nothing
Blonde Redhead has one Neither and nothing else reviewed.
Blur, The Great Escape
NIN, Broken
Offspring, Smash
Pulp; His n Hers !!
Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon collie and Adore
Weezer
practically everything from Tori Amos, etc..

I guess it comes down to being interested enough in what he has to say to be disappointed when he doesn't say it.

richardk (Richard K), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)

Millions of dead poets everywhere are rolling in their graves at the bastardization of their craft. This is how zombies start.

lykvun stratta, Friday, 10 February 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

if we're using the term "poet" as shorthand for "good poet," there sure as shootin' haven't been "millions" of them no matter how far back you wanna reach historically.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:32 (twenty years ago)

Millions of Dead Poets, my favorite hardcore band.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)

It Takes A Nation Of Millions of Dead Poets To Hold Us Back.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

I disagree with what was said above about Christgau's dismissive reviews. Because the dismissiveness is consistent but not too much so, it sheds light on what his tastes are which is ultimately what this is all about. Plus, the mere fact that he puts words next to a record's name is a meaningful act, since he ignores so many.

It tells you about his tastes but I don't know if it is that valuable in and of itself to know what his tastes are. The really dismissive reviews doesn't offer any insight or perspective into the music or its reception (which the Branca review does offer, for a counterexample). They don't critically engage wit the music. There's rarely any effort to understand why millions of people might have liked and like Def Leppard or Jethro Tull even though they left Christgau cold, beyond the hint that maybe they're just not as smart as Christgau.

I was reading Chuck's comments on Nirvana in Accidental Evolution and this strikes me as a really interesting engagement with music towards which he's ambivalent:

The first time I heard of Leonard Cohen was when I noticed a poetry book by him on my father's shelf a few days after the funeral. Maybe part of my aversion to Nirvana, and maybe even to dark depressing sounds in general (and their glib chicness in "alternative" circles) is owed in part to me shielding myself from emotions I'd rather not think about. Sometimes listening to Nirvana basically creeps me out. They hit too close to home...

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, and, as he also wrote, his manic-depressive, fairly young father killed himself. And Chuck added (somewhere, if not in that same passage)that he first made or enjoyed jokes about Cobain's suicide, til he read that it ran in the family (didn't Kurt's father kill himself too, and/or his uncle?), as did bipolar or some kind of depressive tendencies. Way before I knew any of that, I also found something creepy about Nirvana, and yeah a little too real, in a messy, cold sweaty, undertow sense (even when the music exploded, something was pulling it apart from below). I look for something challenging to write about, and sometimes you get what you ask for, look out. If xgaus's finally not that interested in that New Order album (he liked a lot of their others), so be it. That's the point of the review: that he's just aware of the *effort* to express something emotionally affecting, to share a feeling with us. And there really are a lot of popologists who try to turn on their and our heartlights with some winsome little quote etc. Def Lep worked on Hysteria for years, and it does sound like it: of course they were technocrats (like Springsteen, when he locked himself away with Born To Run, and Axl with Chinese Democracy, which, if it ever does emerge, will probably sound as compulsively labored as these others.)

don, Friday, 10 February 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Sundar, isn't it a loaded construction that he states that it is only of interest to several million people? He knows that what he would have to say is utterly irrelevant to anyone interested in the record, so he chooses to say something marginal.

We really need a rolling Xgau thread - it is hard to keep track of them all...

thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

Björk, Debut
Placebo, Without You I'm nothing
Blonde Redhead has one Neither and nothing else reviewed.
Blur, The Great Escape
NIN, Broken
Offspring, Smash
Pulp; His n Hers !!
Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon collie and Adore
Weezer
practically everything from Tori Amos, etc..

I dislike or am indifferent to every one of these records except Bjork's.

But you raise a good point, richardk: why is he so quick to dismiss these albums? Here's the short album: too much fucking music to absorb in one year, let alone a lifetime.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:09 (twenty years ago)

(that list: nice verse)xpost"only of interest to several million people" (exact quote?) rings true, in a world so large. Sure has been a long time since I've seen anything in the daily news about the ongoing effects of the Asian earthquake. I could google it, but I keep forgetting. But he does like to generalize: Brits think about pop like this, etc.

don, Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Sundar, you really think anyone interested in Hysteria didn't know what Def Leppard sounded like? It was the #1 record of the year in Billboard, and the review came out almost 2 months after its release. as the review says upfront, "You know about the music."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:24 (twenty years ago)

this one addresses the music pretty well, though...

Van Halen [Warner Bros., 1978]
For some reason Warners wants us to know that this is the biggest bar band in the San Fernando Valley. This doesn't mean much--all new bands are bar bands, unless they're Boston. The term becomes honorific when the music belongs in a bar. This music belongs on an aircraft carrier. C

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)

The 70s Guide is great, especially because he described all the duds; very illuminating. (As a musician friend said of a local band, "I didn't know some of those mistakes were to be made!") Nowadays, we only get a Dud of the Month, and a yearly Turkey Shoot, although the P&J Essay adds some, but.

don, Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, fair points actually. If I think of these blurbs as what they were originally, one guy's reviews of records that were ubiquitous at the time, rather than as the documentation of history that they appear to be when compiled this way, I like them a lot more. I imagine he was probably assigned most of them anyway. I did always like that "aircraft carrier" line.

I did like that he said at the end of his Silent Tongues review: "Even more than usual, take my grade as a measure of personal usefulness rather than aesthetic merit".

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:34 (twenty years ago)

Actually I don't see the point of the commentless duds list at the end of the CG. I'd rather he list the good singles that month or something.

thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:47 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
The talk about whether Xgau is leaving the Voice reminded me how much I like his poetry:

Billie Holiday is uncoverable,
possibly the greatest singer of the century,
yet the fact is that Ross's versions
which occupy only two sides of this soundtrack album
are intensely listenable.

That's the word I want,
because it doesn't fit Holiday,
who either seizes your full attention
or disturbs you in the background.

While copying Holiday's phrasing and intonation,
Ross smoothes them out,
making the content easier to take
without destroying it altogether.

This may be a desecration and a deception,
but it speaks to the condition of a ghetto child
who's always had a talent for not suffering,
for willing herself up and through.

Not every singer turns into a junkie,
after all.

Tom Scarlett, Friday, 21 April 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

Would You Lay With Me (in a Field of Stone) [Columbia, 1974]
If you think the inflatable dolls they sell with the Orgy-Gell in the back of cheap skin mags are sexy, then you will doubtless find this fifteen-year-old wonder of nature the hottest thing since that waitress who brought you the screwdrivers the time you blew $220 playing blackjack in downtown Winnemucca. A cute little ass, better-than-average pipes, and Billy Sherrill's usual "who gives a shit if the title cut is commercial" country album. Up a notch for no strings. B-

starfish succulents (unregistered), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 23:52 (thirteen years ago)

is he saying that this fifteen-year-old has a cute little ass?

Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 23:57 (thirteen years ago)

I mean, he's obviously going for a satirical "this is what happens when you market a 15-year-old as a sex symbol" tone, but he's doing it wrong.

starfish succulents (unregistered), Thursday, 2 August 2012 00:54 (thirteen years ago)

god those "poems" are annoying

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)

What a creep
that's a classic song too

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)

was tanya tucker strongly marketed as a sex symbol?

Mordy, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)

Still the best. A mile better than Greil.

broom air, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)

was tanya tucker strongly marketed as a sex symbol?
i was too young to know about all that but twelve year old me bought this on account of the cover
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/TanyaTuckerTNT.jpg

making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:01 (thirteen years ago)

Delta Dawn > every weird xgau ever wrote

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:06 (thirteen years ago)


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