― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 February 2006 10:46 (twenty years ago)
http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0543/ann-xgau.jpg
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 February 2006 10:52 (twenty years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)
On Hysteriaby R. Christgau
You know about the music, and if you don't think you'll like it you won't:
impeccable pop metal of no discernible content, it will inspire active interest only in AOR programmers and the several million addicts of the genre.
In short, it's product--but as product, significant, because it's product for the CD age.
Stuck with over an hour of material after four years (after all, could twelve songs be any shorter?), they elected to put it all on one disc because as technocrats they instinctively conceive for formats that can accommodate an hour of music: cassettes, which now outsell vinyl discs, and CDs, which outdollar them.
The cassette sound is a little too dim, as commercial cassette sound usually is, and though I sometimes find myself preferring the depth of the vinyl once I've turned my amp up to six or seven,
the clarity of the CD gets more and more decisive as the needle approaches the outgroove.
I mean, I have trouble perceiving these guys as human beings under ideal circumstances.
Not docked a notch because at least they didn't pad it into a double.
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:55 (twenty years ago)
Okay, so he makes hot "experimental" ("serious") ("classical") ("new") music.
What we wanna know is whether it's cool rock and roll ("rock").
Not by me.
It's great sonically, with ringing overtones that remind me of a carillon or the Byrds,
but the beat's overstated and the sense of structure (i.e. climax) mired in nineteenth-century corn.
This can be endearing in Pete Townshend or Bruce Springsteen (maybe even opera),
but it sounds weak-minded in an artist of such otherwise austere means.
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)
which isn't the same as actually conveying an emotional connect with whatever affect was inserted, nor is it the same as expressing your own emotion (or even convincingly simulating it, which would be fine enough).
Thanks, slb, I think that's probably the best explanation I've read about what Christgau could possibly be on about in that New Order review. I think that's probably what he meant. New Order are neither expressing nor simulating an emotion (because that would mean suggesting that they themselves are experiencing the emotion) - rather they are presenting an emotion to us as a scientist might present a bacterium on a slide - something for our dispassionate and objective perusal.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)
Melding classic reggae andMiami booty-bass,Muddy Waters harp andSchoolly-D scratch,cocktail vibes andsacred quartet.
The Native Tongue beatmasterturned gravedigging heretic
assembles"senseless skitstyle material"by
"a motley crew of illcharacters and croniesfrom around the way whoresemble a P-Funk on crack
(wait, P-Funk was on crack)"
into a disturbing laffriot whose dramaturgy is
more musical than De La Soul's songs.
There's even a sweet-chorusedromantic ballad aboutrape and homicide
two of eachbut don't worry--they're only a dream,
with a fake Viennesemuttering eager encouragementin the background.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)
Unlike most punk lifers,they've always yukked it up,accepted outsiders,and thought about
their feelings.
So I was pleasedrather than surprisedto learn that they'dmade their politics explicit.
Their attacks on religionand hater hatingare right on
And why shouldn'tthe guy who reads Zinnand Chomskyand then votes Naderbe confused?
ConcomitantlyI was disappointedrather than surprisedto find that the songsabout their personal worldare deeper than thoseabout our political one.
SoI'm glad quadriplegic Nubsgets her impolitic two minutes.
Andmy hopes for all humanityleap
when a boy and girlfall in love over the vinylthey both own.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)
These 15 songs are Muslim like Philip Roth is Jewishirreverently, idiosyncratically, and to the marrow
Their North African provenance means their sense of Islam is at least unorthodox and often cosmopolitan/European
and so, of course, does their pop provenance
East-West instrument mixing is standardmystical intensity a hookWomen hold their own
Some of these professional entertainers are seekers after the catchy tuneothers folkloric types who sound authentic to us and impure to adeptsand as many come from Paris or Barcelona as from Cairo or Marrakech
You wouldn't think to listen that they're all championing a cultural tendency under attackBut Islamists hate them as much as they hate us
if not more.
― Chuck B, Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:16 (twenty years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)
-- Thomas Tallis (tallis4...), February 8th, 2006 6:20 PM.
I'd agree, but its posting was followed by a host of ostensibly intelligent people debating its meaning at great length, a course of events which unfortunately renders your allegation specious.
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)
This makes for a marvelous near-haiku in its own right, worthy of contemplation and bearing multiple meanings.
They both own.
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)
― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)
I was going to let someone else suggest it first
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)
http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/rock/dylan-05.php
― shookout (shookout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)
that's what I got anyhow - I don't think he's driving at a HUGE point, just doing rock history, which I rather enjoy
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)
― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:49 (twenty years ago)
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)
Björk, DebutPlacebo, Without You I'm nothingBlonde Redhead has one Neither and nothing else reviewed.Blur, The Great EscapeNIN, BrokenOffspring, SmashPulp; His n Hers !!Smashing Pumpkins, Mellon collie and AdoreWeezerpractically everything from Tori Amos, etc..
I guess it comes down to being interested enough in what he has to say to be disappointed when he doesn't say it.
― richardk (Richard K), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:37 (twenty years ago)
― lykvun stratta, Friday, 10 February 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 10 February 2006 03:32 (twenty years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)
― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)
It tells you about his tastes but I don't know if it is that valuable in and of itself to know what his tastes are. The really dismissive reviews doesn't offer any insight or perspective into the music or its reception (which the Branca review does offer, for a counterexample). They don't critically engage wit the music. There's rarely any effort to understand why millions of people might have liked and like Def Leppard or Jethro Tull even though they left Christgau cold, beyond the hint that maybe they're just not as smart as Christgau.
I was reading Chuck's comments on Nirvana in Accidental Evolution and this strikes me as a really interesting engagement with music towards which he's ambivalent:
The first time I heard of Leonard Cohen was when I noticed a poetry book by him on my father's shelf a few days after the funeral. Maybe part of my aversion to Nirvana, and maybe even to dark depressing sounds in general (and their glib chicness in "alternative" circles) is owed in part to me shielding myself from emotions I'd rather not think about. Sometimes listening to Nirvana basically creeps me out. They hit too close to home...
― Sundar (sundar), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)
― don, Friday, 10 February 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)
We really need a rolling Xgau thread - it is hard to keep track of them all...
― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)
I dislike or am indifferent to every one of these records except Bjork's.
But you raise a good point, richardk: why is he so quick to dismiss these albums? Here's the short album: too much fucking music to absorb in one year, let alone a lifetime.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:09 (twenty years ago)
― don, Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:24 (twenty years ago)
Van Halen [Warner Bros., 1978]For some reason Warners wants us to know that this is the biggest bar band in the San Fernando Valley. This doesn't mean much--all new bands are bar bands, unless they're Boston. The term becomes honorific when the music belongs in a bar. This music belongs on an aircraft carrier. C
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)
― don, Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:50 (twenty years ago)
I did like that he said at the end of his Silent Tongues review: "Even more than usual, take my grade as a measure of personal usefulness rather than aesthetic merit".
― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:34 (twenty years ago)
― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:47 (twenty years ago)
Billie Holiday is uncoverable, possibly the greatest singer of the century,yet the fact is that Ross's versionswhich occupy only two sides of this soundtrack albumare intensely listenable.
That's the word I want, because it doesn't fit Holiday,who either seizes your full attention or disturbs you in the background.
While copying Holiday's phrasing and intonation,Ross smoothes them out, making the content easier to take without destroying it altogether.
This may be a desecration and a deception,but it speaks to the condition of a ghetto child who's always had a talent for not suffering, for willing herself up and through.
Not every singer turns into a junkie, after all.
― Tom Scarlett, Friday, 21 April 2006 20:01 (twenty years ago)
Would You Lay With Me (in a Field of Stone) [Columbia, 1974]If you think the inflatable dolls they sell with the Orgy-Gell in the back of cheap skin mags are sexy, then you will doubtless find this fifteen-year-old wonder of nature the hottest thing since that waitress who brought you the screwdrivers the time you blew $220 playing blackjack in downtown Winnemucca. A cute little ass, better-than-average pipes, and Billy Sherrill's usual "who gives a shit if the title cut is commercial" country album. Up a notch for no strings. B-
― starfish succulents (unregistered), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 23:52 (thirteen years ago)
is he saying that this fifteen-year-old has a cute little ass?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 23:57 (thirteen years ago)
I mean, he's obviously going for a satirical "this is what happens when you market a 15-year-old as a sex symbol" tone, but he's doing it wrong.
― starfish succulents (unregistered), Thursday, 2 August 2012 00:54 (thirteen years ago)
god those "poems" are annoying
― (REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:15 (thirteen years ago)
What a creepthat's a classic song too
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:21 (thirteen years ago)
was tanya tucker strongly marketed as a sex symbol?
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)
Still the best. A mile better than Greil.
― broom air, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:32 (thirteen years ago)
was tanya tucker strongly marketed as a sex symbol?i was too young to know about all that but twelve year old me bought this on account of the coverhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/TanyaTuckerTNT.jpg
― making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:01 (thirteen years ago)
Delta Dawn > every weird xgau ever wrote
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 August 2012 13:06 (thirteen years ago)