Ok, but that's not what you actually said.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'm probably playing a bit loose w/ language here but when i call something critic bait or P&J bait i generally am talking about its critical reception and am not second-guessing what the artist might've been thinking, because that's kind of impossible
― some dude, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf, he probably made the song for corny rock critics
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People" (which I voted for) was one of those songs that I liked on its own, but gained appreciation for when I played it for a bunch of people in a car and they laughed at every punch line. Great litmus test for a song's actual effectiveness.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, really? What were we *just* talking about?
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
51. PHOENIX "Lisztomania" (2009) [281 points, 17 votes]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8e_n3qxg60
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"georgia bush" kicks the shit out of the legendary k.o. song
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, July 2, 2010 12:51 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark
dyking iirc
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
lizstomania's chorus has a weird vocal line for a pop song, it never resolves, just goes around in circles until he chops it off and leaves you hanging
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i know about the legendary K.O.
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 2, 2010 12:35 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was hoping you didn't because calling someone racist just because they called a song "Golddigga" instead of "Gold Digger" is fucking insane
― some dude, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
hoes dyking, to be precise
xps
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.jimandellen.org/ellen/Bert&Mary.jpg
― Don't mention de Boer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Of course you can! And in this particular example, it's pretty obvious that the guy (guys?) were pretty simply using the juxtoposition between Kanye's political moment and his hit song to make a funny/true statement about Katrina. Pretty simple, pretty effective.
And not-really a traditional critic-baiting song, much more of a populist one. Not really still saying that you're implying that it was, just that it's not difficult to get a clear idea of what an artist's intentions are.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
are you calling mary poppins a ho, noodle vague
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
And now back to dyking.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i voted for lisztomania but am having trouble thinking of much to say about it.
― skip, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
And not-really a traditional critic-baiting song, much more of a populist one
in terms of populism don't you think "gold digger" is, you know, slightly ahead of the other one
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
So we're at the halfway point... anyone want to grade 51-100? I'd give it an "A", except for the presence of "Fireworks" which drops it to an "A-".
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
lisztomania is a classic song but i still totally prefer stuff from 'it's never been like that'
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Alls I'm saying is that Mary Poppins is popular with an awful lot of chimney sweeps.
― Don't mention de Boer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i give it a C because i always hate on tracks lists that are full of non-hits that are on albums that will surely make the counterpart list. although obviously you guys did a great job and i love watching the list unfold.
― some dude, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
That's why this is called a TRACKS list and not a SINGLES list, der.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
If we all made the effort to check how song titles are spelled the world would be a better place.
― seandalai, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That may be true.
Oh, absolutely. Personally, I just didn't like "Gold Digger" until after I heard "George Bush..." I know I'm waaay in the minority on that one.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, why would you deprive a good track the opportunity to appreciated on its own? The album it comes from might not be any good.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
almost all of these songs have been hits of some sort
maybe i'm forgetting some tho
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
alright maybe not
but almost all have been singles at least
only 2 of my votes have shown up so far, but i love the majority of 51-100. a ton of "b-b-but i voted for the album" trax. a few stinkers that prevent this being an A. obv have really enjoyed it so far, so B+ or A- i guess.
i mean i probably should have voted for "love story", "fancy" etc...but i definitely used "voted for the album" as a means of whittling down by trax ballot. cuz i HAD to.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty much everything today is well-known enough that I've heard them before.
― seandalai, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
50. JUSTICE "D.A.N.C.E." (2007) [282.5 points, 16 votes]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49esza4eiK4
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
more than half of the songs so far are songs i've only heard of (as in I might know of the act, but not the song specifically) on ILM, or maybe glancing at Pitchfork or a couple other blogs maintained by ILM people.
― some dude, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I voted for this, mainly because I loved it at the time.
― seandalai, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, TRIANGLE!
...i've only heard of ...on ILM ...or a couple other blogs maintained by ILM people
That's why this is the ILM poll and not the Guardian poll or Washington Post poll.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't believe this is the Washington Post.
― some dude, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i kind of assumed that everything nominated was a single in some capacity, i was just working from the nom list on this one
so if i voted for any album tracks i apologize
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh i thought people would've been over justice by now, sp wrong that this placed ahead of an actual dance classic like "rej"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
there's not much in music that i strongly dislike, but the overcompressed production on the justice album is up there
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
having experienced both in the right context (club dancefloor) and in the right ~state of mind~ i think the empirical evidence suggests that "rej" leads to total hands-in-the-air ecstatic moments while "d.a.n.c.e." leads to grimacing and maybe leaving the club
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
49. MARIAH CAREY "We Belong Together" (2005) [283 points, 13 votes, 1 first place vote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0habxsuXW4g
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
really hoping that Kelley Polar will make the list but the increasing profile of the artists as it counts down makes that seem unlikely.
― skip, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
love love love love love that song
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
omfg omfg i didn't think that would place!!! "we belong together" - 3rd of my votes, such a perfectly-constructed, perfectly-delivered heartbreaker of a song
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
This is the only Justice that still stands up for me.
xp Lex - I don't think the right context really is a club dancefloor - it's a pop song dressed up in genre trappings, much closer to Lisztomania or Love Story than Rej.
― seandalai, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the god performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmbWXTJ18Q
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp yeah this is the sad point at which all the pet picks from your top 10 are pretty much confirmed no-shows
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i still like "d.a.n.c.e" a lot, but haven't listened to the album in ages, don't think it would hold up
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think the right context really is a club dancefloor - it's a pop song dressed up in genre trappings, much closer to Lisztomania or Love Story than Rej.
it works even worse as a pop single
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't get past his voice on Lisztomania, it's TERRIBLE, which is weird seeing as I love Too Young and If I Ever Feel Better.
DANCE is alright but if either In White Rooms or Body Language don't place it'll be a travesty.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Friday, 2 July 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
48. ESTELLE ft. KANYE WEST "American Boy" (2008) [284 points, 12 votes]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic5vxw3eijY
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link