ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches"

It may be different, but it doesn't make it better. Women can oppress women, you know.

I know, but I was specifically referring to Lex's anecdote, which (I think) was not about women oppressing women.

it's like I'm watching a 3D movie without the right glasses

re AC

I have a folder entitled 'AA Milne Picnic Bitches Menage' and now I'm totally confused.

jackie chain combines various strands of ecstatic music way better than animal collective

― the last air bud (crüt), Friday, 2 July 2010 12:25 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he combines robert miles' children with generic crunk music from what i hear, but hey different strokes...

Here's the first half, btw, for anyone who wants to catch up: ILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS

That list shows me how out-of-synch I was with ILM in those years. (I discovered this place in '06, I believe.) I've not heard 45 of the top 100. If we repolled those years now, I wonder if Andrew WK would get two songs on the list.

The top 20 in the 00-04 poll is pretty awesome, except for Radiohead and LCD Soundsystem. Can't imagine the top 20 in here being as good, since 05-09 coincided with the Reign of Indie Electro.

I'd argue a lot of rap or r'n'b lyrics are at least a little bit about expressing that which adult society seeks to squish.

Gee, you think? I have to admit I am actually a little fascinated by lex's slant on things at this point, because I can't fathom how these pieces all fit together, especially how this intense anti-twee/anti-Romantic (at least against some version of Romanticism) moralizing fits with the embrace of so much anti-social crap.

Also, in my experience, people who adopt a hip-hop swagger in everyday life treat people like shit a lot more than hippies do (though hippies can be jerks, no doubt), e.g. hip-hop educator/activist J**** G. S****, who used to come in to the public library in Philadelphia and treat most of the female staff like crap (regardless of their race, interestingly).

not surprised Ilxor's First Ghostface he rates on par with supreme clientele

deej, on second thought, you're right -- Pretty Toney oughta be ranked up there w/ Supreme and Fishscale also...

deej did you seriously just call the Winehouse album 'critically underrated'? i've barely even SEEN a negative review of that record wtf.

― ripe dink (some dude), Thursday, July 1, 2010 7:50 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk 6.4 in pitchfork, did it even rank in their year end list that year

― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, July 1, 2010 9:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you say "really critically underrated" about a record that got an 8.1 on Metacritic and ranked #4 in Pazz & Jop, you're just full of shit, and naming one of like 3 major outlets that gave it less than a glowing review doesn't really back up your point.

me and ilxor getting up this morning and making it fuck wit deej day

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, July 2, 2010 4:09 AM (4 hours ago)

Cosign. Far and away the worst YouTube vid I've played on ILX all year. Holy shit.

what is Rashida Jones doing there?

Welcome to #'s 60-41...

alriiiiiight

i feel like today might really be the day that more than 1 song i voted for places!

60. WILEY "Wearing My Rolex" (2008) [252 points, 12 votes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRNeqMrzIU

<3

ah come on now I can't keep up with the tennis the football AND this, be fair on me.

Yeah al but if you are talking about its critical rep now no one talks about it like 'one of the best lps of the 00s' it was always just a hit w like mainstream boner critics who think like mgmt is the best rock band of the 00s and drake is a great rapper and success is an indicator of greatness etc

haha that video is so retarded

best british rap song ever imo

right...but basically you can make that clarification, or that you meant primarily PF/ilx now, well after making a much broader statement that was categorically incorrect and being called out on it. (xpost)

why not just say what you actually mean in more precise terms instead of just going "oh this grammy/p&j/etc.-dominating record is so UNDERRATED"

love "wearing my rolex"; u&k is mz bratt's "wearing his rolex" answer record

great great song

I'm kinda surprised that Lex likes lyrics with "bitches" and "hoes" in it
many xposts so sorry for being a bit late

59. TAYLOR SWIFT "Love Story" (2008) [259 points, 12 votes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg3vE8Ie_E

xp not to be too crude, but is Wearing My Rolex what Andy Samberg is parodying in "J*** in my Pants"?

lol why is that? i like hip-hop and r&b so...

fwiw when jackie chain raps "put the top up and watch these hoes dyke it" i basically imagine straight dudes gettin' it on for my benefit, so it's not really misogynistic

xps T-SWIFT!!!!

also it's a hilarious rap line

Well you object to misogyny in rock music, I just assumed it would apply across all music.

it's not misogynistic if the hoes are independently dyking it imo

or if you have some bizarre interpretation playing out in your head in which the hoes aren't hoes at all, apparently

Taylor Swift. Well, now, there's a song that's just straight awful.

lol
xps

Taylor Swift. Well, now, there's a song that's just straight awful.

― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, July 2, 2010 2:44 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Have to agree with this, I like pop-country trash as much as the next guy but you have to draw the line somewhere...

you can have male hoes

can males dyke it up?

it's not misogynistic if the hoes are independently dyking it and have signed a release form in triplicate saying that they consent to being referred to as hoes in the understanding that this is merely a signifier of manly but non-threatening attraction and should not be construed to have any demeaning connotations such as might be imagined by women and sensitive hoe-saving indie listeners

the equivalent of dyke it up? it's just transference

xxxp

Was going to post a Sarah McLachlan video to illustrate how bland TS is, but then I discovered that Sarah McLachlan is totally hardcore by comparison.

Love Story is a great song. Inevitable ILM debate is not so good.

59. TAYLOR SWIFT "Love Story" (2008) [259 points, 12 votes]

All this talk about hoez dyking it up I fear we are missing the real misogyny here.

(Sorry that was probably the most half-hearted trolling attempt ever)

58. KANYE WEST ft. JAMIE FOXX "Gold Digger" (2005) [261.5 points, 12 votes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwNcNOTVzY

it's too bad that the dyking it up discussion wasn't punctuated by "stronger"

That song was absolutely everywhere. Always got a Cantaloop vibe from it...

lol true

xpost to sarge

someone needs to just c/p this entire thread to posts very much in character