ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

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CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

<3 <3

Lex, do you really think this is good? Because if so, you've completely invalidated everything you've ever said about music.

True, but I also agree with DL's point that not calling women bitches and hoes is also part of the process of growing into an adult.

(x-post to Lex)

xp lex you can say the same about a whole bunch of other people too - maybe moreso than hippies

in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a banker tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a chav tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a hipster tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a politician tends to be "treating other people like shit"

etc

ps forget I wrote "being a hipster" - i have no idea what that means outside of facebook quizzes.

Agree that repression is a good and necessary thing mostly, but if you're gonna unleash the beast within then Art is probably the right theatre to do that in. I'd argue a lot of rap or r'n'b lyrics are at least a little bit about expressing that which adult society seeks to squish. Proviso re: that is we're talking about a very specific adult society that is built on a very specific set of class and racial signifiers.

True, but I also agree with DL's point that not calling women bitches and hoes is also part of the process of growing into an adult.

you wouldn't have enjoyed the booty karaoke night i went to the other week but it was the best fun ever. my friends cora and sara got on the mic and did dj assault and segued into ciara's "ride", it was a MOMENT <3 - i plan to do lil kim's "how many licks" next time as i know it off by heart. or maybe some trina, the baddest bitch

dirtiness and drag misogyny as art forms - the dramatic sublimation of libidinal energy innit

Right, because being childlike is creepy and disgusting, but being misogynistic is sexy.

Ugh.

Lex, women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches" - it's kinda like black people using the n-word.

I think we're all willing to overlook sentiments we find repugnant in art to some extent and given that the Lex has a folder on his laptop entitled 'Homophobic Dancehall' he's at the most elastic end of that spectrum but at the same time if you're going to stand there you should probably not be getting on your high-horse about relatively harmless shit being disturbing and creepy. You should attack it for being LAME instead.

Also for the love of god Johnny Fever post track 60 *please*.

Here's hoping it isn't "The Whisper Song"...

i also have a "stripper in my mind" itunes playlist (inspired by binkie from electrik red, who also has one)

lol @ "Lex has a folder on his laptop entitled 'Homophobic Dancehall'"

women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches"

It may be different, but it doesn't make it better. Women can oppress women, you know.

But I guess having a folder entitled "Unicorn wedding music" would be infantilised? If bigoted rap is about sublimating socially unacceptable yearnings, you could make a similar argument for childish music - everyone at some point finds the idea of a regression to childhood an attractive one.

Anyway I certainly don't listen to Animal Collective for their lyrics (though they're not awful), I just find their music interesting and pleasurable to listen to. The way they combine various strands of ecstatic music is one that appeals to me. Obviously it doesn't appeal to others, but then I think that Jackie Chain track is bilge.

jackie chain combines various strands of ecstatic music way better than animal collective

eh, this is why the discourse should be focused on how the songs sound, instead of what they "mean" or what their politics are. Because I really wanted to like Animal Collective but the washed-out echo-y swirls of the MPP songs drove me nuts: the center does not hold! I don't know what to listen for---it all goes by in a blur. And I can totally see why music that does that would be great! I just don't feel it. But it ain't for lack of trying.

women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches"

It may be different, but it doesn't make it better. Women can oppress women, you know.

I know, but I was specifically referring to Lex's anecdote, which (I think) was not about women oppressing women.

it's like I'm watching a 3D movie without the right glasses

re AC

I have a folder entitled 'AA Milne Picnic Bitches Menage' and now I'm totally confused.

jackie chain combines various strands of ecstatic music way better than animal collective

― the last air bud (crüt), Friday, 2 July 2010 12:25 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he combines robert miles' children with generic crunk music from what i hear, but hey different strokes...

Here's the first half, btw, for anyone who wants to catch up: ILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS

That list shows me how out-of-synch I was with ILM in those years. (I discovered this place in '06, I believe.) I've not heard 45 of the top 100. If we repolled those years now, I wonder if Andrew WK would get two songs on the list.

The top 20 in the 00-04 poll is pretty awesome, except for Radiohead and LCD Soundsystem. Can't imagine the top 20 in here being as good, since 05-09 coincided with the Reign of Indie Electro.

I'd argue a lot of rap or r'n'b lyrics are at least a little bit about expressing that which adult society seeks to squish.

Gee, you think? I have to admit I am actually a little fascinated by lex's slant on things at this point, because I can't fathom how these pieces all fit together, especially how this intense anti-twee/anti-Romantic (at least against some version of Romanticism) moralizing fits with the embrace of so much anti-social crap.

Also, in my experience, people who adopt a hip-hop swagger in everyday life treat people like shit a lot more than hippies do (though hippies can be jerks, no doubt), e.g. hip-hop educator/activist J**** G. S****, who used to come in to the public library in Philadelphia and treat most of the female staff like crap (regardless of their race, interestingly).

not surprised Ilxor's First Ghostface he rates on par with supreme clientele

deej, on second thought, you're right -- Pretty Toney oughta be ranked up there w/ Supreme and Fishscale also...

deej did you seriously just call the Winehouse album 'critically underrated'? i've barely even SEEN a negative review of that record wtf.

― ripe dink (some dude), Thursday, July 1, 2010 7:50 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk 6.4 in pitchfork, did it even rank in their year end list that year

― blap...tremendo (deej), Thursday, July 1, 2010 9:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you say "really critically underrated" about a record that got an 8.1 on Metacritic and ranked #4 in Pazz & Jop, you're just full of shit, and naming one of like 3 major outlets that gave it less than a glowing review doesn't really back up your point.

me and ilxor getting up this morning and making it fuck wit deej day

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, July 2, 2010 4:09 AM (4 hours ago)

Cosign. Far and away the worst YouTube vid I've played on ILX all year. Holy shit.

what is Rashida Jones doing there?

Welcome to #'s 60-41...

alriiiiiight

i feel like today might really be the day that more than 1 song i voted for places!

60. WILEY "Wearing My Rolex" (2008) [252 points, 12 votes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRNeqMrzIU

<3

ah come on now I can't keep up with the tennis the football AND this, be fair on me.

Yeah al but if you are talking about its critical rep now no one talks about it like 'one of the best lps of the 00s' it was always just a hit w like mainstream boner critics who think like mgmt is the best rock band of the 00s and drake is a great rapper and success is an indicator of greatness etc

haha that video is so retarded

best british rap song ever imo

right...but basically you can make that clarification, or that you meant primarily PF/ilx now, well after making a much broader statement that was categorically incorrect and being called out on it. (xpost)

why not just say what you actually mean in more precise terms instead of just going "oh this grammy/p&j/etc.-dominating record is so UNDERRATED"

love "wearing my rolex"; u&k is mz bratt's "wearing his rolex" answer record

great great song

I'm kinda surprised that Lex likes lyrics with "bitches" and "hoes" in it
many xposts so sorry for being a bit late

59. TAYLOR SWIFT "Love Story" (2008) [259 points, 12 votes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xg3vE8Ie_E

xp not to be too crude, but is Wearing My Rolex what Andy Samberg is parodying in "J*** in my Pants"?

lol why is that? i like hip-hop and r&b so...

fwiw when jackie chain raps "put the top up and watch these hoes dyke it" i basically imagine straight dudes gettin' it on for my benefit, so it's not really misogynistic

xps T-SWIFT!!!!

also it's a hilarious rap line

Well you object to misogyny in rock music, I just assumed it would apply across all music.