ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

i guess i think it's just inherently inoffensive music to the eardrum

at worst

I WASN'T THAT WAY UNTIL I HEARD PANDA BEAR.

I WOULD TAKE COME ORIGINAL ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, July 2, 2010 5:09 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm glad i could be of service here

OR ANY SECOND OF THE YEAR.

like, bros is just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

bros always be just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

like, how can you actively hate "i'm not"

Tbh, I never made it past halfway through the second track and then I skipped around to see if it all sounded like that, the answer to which I found to be an affirmative.

otoh i only truly came around to panda bear after smoking weed one night, so maybe that's it

lol

@ both

like, bros is just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

and out-of-tune burbling about bullshit over the top, recorded in a toilet - possibly in the actual toilet - from two rooms away

I don't even really remember what it sounded like other my nightmares.

My experience is that most of these tweepop types are nice and well-meaning if tasteless middle class kids. I propose a social experiment where you sit various tweepop bands in front of a computer and show them a load of furry shit and watch the realisation slowly sink in.

Actually, I don't think I've had nightmares that sounded so bad, so I that's not it, either.

lol MDC

Tuomas, I think Mark E Smith from the Fall may be the British M.A.Numminen, sorta - his records might sound wacky and unlistenable to foreigners (Anglophiles from other English-speaking countries excepted) but he has been doing his own eccentric thing for so many decades it has pretty much earned him national treasure status among a certain kind of music fan

this comparison doesn't stretch too well over the finer points of either's career, background or appeal, but it is an hour too late anyway

Compare:

i loathe the concept of twee - i take an actual moral stance against that shit b/c i think it's a horrible, unhealthy way to behave and no one should indulge in it. this is one of the things i genuinely judge people on.

Whatever irks you, irks you, but I find it fascinating that you can follow up your post about how tweeness is "unhealthy" and "(im)moral", whilst praising the following sexism/commodity fetishism:

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

vs

CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

For the rec, I think the rhetoric about AC wanting to "retreat back to a childhood" is a serious misreading of their aesthetic. It's much more about channeling a primitive/tribal/communal aspect to music-making - not that I suppose that makes a lick of difference to haters.

Psychedelic music and culture has historically been about unlocking parts of the personality or psyche that are supposedly suppressed by the "straight" head or ego; so if this is expressed by primal hurlements, ostensible tweeness or creeping naivete; it's not usually meant to mean anything other than this. i.e. trying to put a sexual or fetishistic slant on this is missing the point completely; it's not about getting your kicks by wearing a nappy and babbling for your mother - see Boards of Canada as someone suggested above.

Psychedelic music and culture has historically been about unlocking parts of the personality or psyche that are supposedly suppressed by the "straight" head or eg

i think this aesthetic is fraudulent horseshit, with quite a bit of arrogance and selfishness built into it. suppression of certain parts of the personality is good, and necessary for living in society, and indeed the process of growing into an adult is all about learning what should be suppressed and when. it's not necessarily unhealthy. in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a disgusting hippie tends to be "treating other people like shit"

Handy hint for Ilxors, every time you see the word "historically" in a Dog Latin post, the chances are the history is wrong.

xpost Oh so that's what it's all about then.

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

vs

CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

<3 <3

Lex, do you really think this is good? Because if so, you've completely invalidated everything you've ever said about music.

True, but I also agree with DL's point that not calling women bitches and hoes is also part of the process of growing into an adult.

(x-post to Lex)

xp lex you can say the same about a whole bunch of other people too - maybe moreso than hippies

in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a banker tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a chav tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a hipster tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a politician tends to be "treating other people like shit"

etc

ps forget I wrote "being a hipster" - i have no idea what that means outside of facebook quizzes.

Agree that repression is a good and necessary thing mostly, but if you're gonna unleash the beast within then Art is probably the right theatre to do that in. I'd argue a lot of rap or r'n'b lyrics are at least a little bit about expressing that which adult society seeks to squish. Proviso re: that is we're talking about a very specific adult society that is built on a very specific set of class and racial signifiers.

True, but I also agree with DL's point that not calling women bitches and hoes is also part of the process of growing into an adult.

you wouldn't have enjoyed the booty karaoke night i went to the other week but it was the best fun ever. my friends cora and sara got on the mic and did dj assault and segued into ciara's "ride", it was a MOMENT <3 - i plan to do lil kim's "how many licks" next time as i know it off by heart. or maybe some trina, the baddest bitch

dirtiness and drag misogyny as art forms - the dramatic sublimation of libidinal energy innit

Right, because being childlike is creepy and disgusting, but being misogynistic is sexy.

Ugh.

Lex, women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches" - it's kinda like black people using the n-word.

I think we're all willing to overlook sentiments we find repugnant in art to some extent and given that the Lex has a folder on his laptop entitled 'Homophobic Dancehall' he's at the most elastic end of that spectrum but at the same time if you're going to stand there you should probably not be getting on your high-horse about relatively harmless shit being disturbing and creepy. You should attack it for being LAME instead.

Also for the love of god Johnny Fever post track 60 *please*.

Here's hoping it isn't "The Whisper Song"...

i also have a "stripper in my mind" itunes playlist (inspired by binkie from electrik red, who also has one)

lol @ "Lex has a folder on his laptop entitled 'Homophobic Dancehall'"

women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches"

It may be different, but it doesn't make it better. Women can oppress women, you know.

But I guess having a folder entitled "Unicorn wedding music" would be infantilised? If bigoted rap is about sublimating socially unacceptable yearnings, you could make a similar argument for childish music - everyone at some point finds the idea of a regression to childhood an attractive one.

Anyway I certainly don't listen to Animal Collective for their lyrics (though they're not awful), I just find their music interesting and pleasurable to listen to. The way they combine various strands of ecstatic music is one that appeals to me. Obviously it doesn't appeal to others, but then I think that Jackie Chain track is bilge.

jackie chain combines various strands of ecstatic music way better than animal collective

eh, this is why the discourse should be focused on how the songs sound, instead of what they "mean" or what their politics are. Because I really wanted to like Animal Collective but the washed-out echo-y swirls of the MPP songs drove me nuts: the center does not hold! I don't know what to listen for---it all goes by in a blur. And I can totally see why music that does that would be great! I just don't feel it. But it ain't for lack of trying.

women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches"

It may be different, but it doesn't make it better. Women can oppress women, you know.

I know, but I was specifically referring to Lex's anecdote, which (I think) was not about women oppressing women.

it's like I'm watching a 3D movie without the right glasses

re AC

I have a folder entitled 'AA Milne Picnic Bitches Menage' and now I'm totally confused.

jackie chain combines various strands of ecstatic music way better than animal collective

― the last air bud (crüt), Friday, 2 July 2010 12:25 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

he combines robert miles' children with generic crunk music from what i hear, but hey different strokes...

Here's the first half, btw, for anyone who wants to catch up: ILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS

That list shows me how out-of-synch I was with ILM in those years. (I discovered this place in '06, I believe.) I've not heard 45 of the top 100. If we repolled those years now, I wonder if Andrew WK would get two songs on the list.

The top 20 in the 00-04 poll is pretty awesome, except for Radiohead and LCD Soundsystem. Can't imagine the top 20 in here being as good, since 05-09 coincided with the Reign of Indie Electro.

I'd argue a lot of rap or r'n'b lyrics are at least a little bit about expressing that which adult society seeks to squish.

Gee, you think? I have to admit I am actually a little fascinated by lex's slant on things at this point, because I can't fathom how these pieces all fit together, especially how this intense anti-twee/anti-Romantic (at least against some version of Romanticism) moralizing fits with the embrace of so much anti-social crap.

Also, in my experience, people who adopt a hip-hop swagger in everyday life treat people like shit a lot more than hippies do (though hippies can be jerks, no doubt), e.g. hip-hop educator/activist J**** G. S****, who used to come in to the public library in Philadelphia and treat most of the female staff like crap (regardless of their race, interestingly).

not surprised Ilxor's First Ghostface he rates on par with supreme clientele

deej, on second thought, you're right -- Pretty Toney oughta be ranked up there w/ Supreme and Fishscale also...