ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

in general, bands like animal collective should probably all disband and do solo projects because apparently when they bounce ideas off each other the results are disastrous

in art and in real life and just about anywhere, i hate infantilisation, i find adults trying to be childlike or innocent really creepy, i loathe the concept of twee - i take an actual moral stance against that shit b/c i think it's a horrible, unhealthy way to behave and no one should indulge in it. this is one of the things i genuinely judge people on.

RIP Michael Jackson

i think the entire world judged michael jackson on that!

also want to second/third/fourth/whatever the necessity of listening to jackie chain's "diamonds & cadillacs" posted a while back --

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

vs

CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

<3 <3

i find adults trying to be childlike or innocent really creepy

Mostly I agree but occasionally isn't being really creepy part of the point? Don't think Boards of Canada are trying to be childlike for example but they have sometimes used childlike voices or musical motifs to get at something primal and scary and queasy.

i don't think animal collective try and be infantile at all?

I think if you're trying to be a bit creepy and sinister with it then it's alright, Exhibit A being Kate Bush.

I remember a Kimya Dawson album I reviewed for(/rejected from) my radio station had a song called "Pee Pee in the Potty." what's up with that????

Usher's "Hey Daddy" creepy y/n?

I am sure lex is actually talking about "wetter" by twista when he is talking about hating twee

Usher's "Hey Daddy" creepy y/n?

― Don't mention de Boer (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 2, 2010 4:48 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

i have posted about this before

"wetter" is actually worse since the chick just moans "daddy" over and over again and sounds like an actual child

beyoncé's "daddy" as well o_0

tho those are slightly different in that none of those artists are seeking to retreat into a childlike-naïveté cocoon - sampling children's voices for creepy effect is another completely separate thing, that can be tremendously effective. it's more when the artist's voice, across most of their material, is intentionally infantile.

kimya dawson is a disgusting savage.

lex, you will hate the shit out of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7KieUW6HR8

I wonder at what point the infantilism in twee vocals just became a style that twee-influenced artists adopted without considering the implications? Or if that's the case at all?

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

RIP Michael Jackson

― Adge Cutler & the Özils (NickB), Friday, July 2, 2010 1:40 AM Bookmark

MJ was pretty fuckin creepy! Not sure who denies this other than his most disgusting stans.

i agree w/rev that person pitch is one of the worst things i've ever heard

YOU GET ME WRONG! PERSON PITCH IS NOT ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I HAVE EVER HEARD, IT IS FAR AND AWAY THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD. IF I HEARD SOME SEAN KINGSTON OR SOMETHING AND WAS LIKE "DAMN, THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD" I'D HAVE TO BACK UP AND BE LIKE "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NOT WORSE THAN FUCKING PANDA BEAR." I'D RATHER LISTEN TO AN HOUR OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TEARING OUT REBAR.

that's crazy imo

ok do I have to post the 311 "Come Original" video in the 2005-2009 tracks poll thread to prove Rev wrong

i guess i think it's just inherently inoffensive music to the eardrum

at worst

I WASN'T THAT WAY UNTIL I HEARD PANDA BEAR.

I WOULD TAKE COME ORIGINAL ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, July 2, 2010 5:09 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm glad i could be of service here

OR ANY SECOND OF THE YEAR.

like, bros is just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

bros always be just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

like, how can you actively hate "i'm not"

Tbh, I never made it past halfway through the second track and then I skipped around to see if it all sounded like that, the answer to which I found to be an affirmative.

otoh i only truly came around to panda bear after smoking weed one night, so maybe that's it

lol

@ both

like, bros is just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

and out-of-tune burbling about bullshit over the top, recorded in a toilet - possibly in the actual toilet - from two rooms away

I don't even really remember what it sounded like other my nightmares.

My experience is that most of these tweepop types are nice and well-meaning if tasteless middle class kids. I propose a social experiment where you sit various tweepop bands in front of a computer and show them a load of furry shit and watch the realisation slowly sink in.

Actually, I don't think I've had nightmares that sounded so bad, so I that's not it, either.

lol MDC

Tuomas, I think Mark E Smith from the Fall may be the British M.A.Numminen, sorta - his records might sound wacky and unlistenable to foreigners (Anglophiles from other English-speaking countries excepted) but he has been doing his own eccentric thing for so many decades it has pretty much earned him national treasure status among a certain kind of music fan

this comparison doesn't stretch too well over the finer points of either's career, background or appeal, but it is an hour too late anyway

Compare:

i loathe the concept of twee - i take an actual moral stance against that shit b/c i think it's a horrible, unhealthy way to behave and no one should indulge in it. this is one of the things i genuinely judge people on.

Whatever irks you, irks you, but I find it fascinating that you can follow up your post about how tweeness is "unhealthy" and "(im)moral", whilst praising the following sexism/commodity fetishism:

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

vs

CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

For the rec, I think the rhetoric about AC wanting to "retreat back to a childhood" is a serious misreading of their aesthetic. It's much more about channeling a primitive/tribal/communal aspect to music-making - not that I suppose that makes a lick of difference to haters.

Psychedelic music and culture has historically been about unlocking parts of the personality or psyche that are supposedly suppressed by the "straight" head or ego; so if this is expressed by primal hurlements, ostensible tweeness or creeping naivete; it's not usually meant to mean anything other than this. i.e. trying to put a sexual or fetishistic slant on this is missing the point completely; it's not about getting your kicks by wearing a nappy and babbling for your mother - see Boards of Canada as someone suggested above.

Psychedelic music and culture has historically been about unlocking parts of the personality or psyche that are supposedly suppressed by the "straight" head or eg

i think this aesthetic is fraudulent horseshit, with quite a bit of arrogance and selfishness built into it. suppression of certain parts of the personality is good, and necessary for living in society, and indeed the process of growing into an adult is all about learning what should be suppressed and when. it's not necessarily unhealthy. in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a disgusting hippie tends to be "treating other people like shit"

Handy hint for Ilxors, every time you see the word "historically" in a Dog Latin post, the chances are the history is wrong.

xpost Oh so that's what it's all about then.

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

vs

CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

<3 <3

Lex, do you really think this is good? Because if so, you've completely invalidated everything you've ever said about music.

True, but I also agree with DL's point that not calling women bitches and hoes is also part of the process of growing into an adult.

(x-post to Lex)

xp lex you can say the same about a whole bunch of other people too - maybe moreso than hippies

in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a banker tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a chav tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a hipster tends to be "treating other people like shit"
in my experience an unfortunate side effect of being a politician tends to be "treating other people like shit"

etc

ps forget I wrote "being a hipster" - i have no idea what that means outside of facebook quizzes.

Agree that repression is a good and necessary thing mostly, but if you're gonna unleash the beast within then Art is probably the right theatre to do that in. I'd argue a lot of rap or r'n'b lyrics are at least a little bit about expressing that which adult society seeks to squish. Proviso re: that is we're talking about a very specific adult society that is built on a very specific set of class and racial signifiers.

True, but I also agree with DL's point that not calling women bitches and hoes is also part of the process of growing into an adult.

you wouldn't have enjoyed the booty karaoke night i went to the other week but it was the best fun ever. my friends cora and sara got on the mic and did dj assault and segued into ciara's "ride", it was a MOMENT <3 - i plan to do lil kim's "how many licks" next time as i know it off by heart. or maybe some trina, the baddest bitch

dirtiness and drag misogyny as art forms - the dramatic sublimation of libidinal energy innit

Right, because being childlike is creepy and disgusting, but being misogynistic is sexy.

Ugh.

Lex, women calling each other "bitches" is totally different from guys calling women "bitches" - it's kinda like black people using the n-word.