ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

whenever people say "the mums/grandparents like it as well as the kids" i think of my own parents and grandparents, and sigh

Tuomas you are being a fucking idiot about The Fall because clearly whether or not Mark E Smith can "sing" is so far beside the point as to be laughable, AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FALL.

What is the point then? It's not like the rest of the players sound particularly good or interesting either. Generally, when I hear a rock song, in order to catch my interest I expect it to have at least some kind of singing, or lacking that, some instrumental prowess. I hear neither in the song upthread.

it's catchy

The point is, I believe, the lyrics, the observations and the delivery. But while I can't really get past the delivery I do like a lot of similar stuff (chiefly the amazing John Cooper Clarke) so I'm broadly sympathetic to that viewpoint.

I think "instrumental prowess" is even less important than "singing" in this context, as you'd expect from someone who's sacked his own band several times over.

If the point is the lyrics and the observations, why don't he just write poetry? Or do stand-up or something? What's the point of fronting a rock band?

because some people, like me, actually think the music sounds good & interesting & cool

If you have a rock band where the players are utterly mediocre and boring and the "singer" can't/won't sing, what is the point of the band's existence?

(x-post)

tuomas you should google the word "subjective"

"mediocre" by whose opinion???? and vocalizing does not have to necessarily be "singing"

More people listen to rock music than read poetry, that's the point. Also some stuff works better as lyrics than as printed verse as anyone who has ever looked at a lyric written down surely knows. Good grief, stop being Geir, Tuomas.

clearly the band exists because a large number of human beings have validated the talents and ideas of the band The Fall -- there are tons of utterly mediocre and boring bands who have singers that can't/won't sing and don't exist because they suck at music and no one likes them

w/r/t AC - not gonna argue about the vox b/c it's boring, except to say that anyone thinking those fuckaz have any semblance of vocal talent is NUTS, and also i agree w/rev that person pitch is one of the worst things i've ever heard, but this -

but i also think that it's got a kind of idiot-savant quality (perhaps only in semblance) that seems to say, "we don't really know what we're doing, but have somehow stumbled into the trix rabbit magical brilliance cave." now, the feral child naivete was clearly intentional, but it was still hard to tell how much truth there was in the underlying idea that everything was happening almost by accident - an impression bolstered by their prior work

- is a really huge reason why they ANGER me so much. in art and in real life and just about anywhere, i hate infantilisation, i find adults trying to be childlike or innocent really creepy, i loathe the concept of twee - i take an actual moral stance against that shit b/c i think it's a horrible, unhealthy way to behave and no one should indulge in it. this is one of the things i genuinely judge people on.

Essentially if you or any member of your band have ever dressed up in an animal suit you should be banned from making or releasing any music ever again. Especially if you are dudes.

person pitch has a couple of solid tracks on it but it does drag. He could have just released "Take Pills" as a single and been done with it. (pretty sure I've made my dislike of animal collective clear on ILM)

in general, bands like animal collective should probably all disband and do solo projects because apparently when they bounce ideas off each other the results are disastrous

in art and in real life and just about anywhere, i hate infantilisation, i find adults trying to be childlike or innocent really creepy, i loathe the concept of twee - i take an actual moral stance against that shit b/c i think it's a horrible, unhealthy way to behave and no one should indulge in it. this is one of the things i genuinely judge people on.

RIP Michael Jackson

i think the entire world judged michael jackson on that!

also want to second/third/fourth/whatever the necessity of listening to jackie chain's "diamonds & cadillacs" posted a while back --

ALL ABOUT MY MONEY / SUNGLASSES ARMANI / BOUT TO HOLLA AT THIS BITCH WHO LOOK LIKE GWEN STEFANI

vs

CADILLAC PIMPIN / AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE IT / PULL THE TOP UP SO I CAN WATCH THESE HOES DYKE IT

<3 <3

i find adults trying to be childlike or innocent really creepy

Mostly I agree but occasionally isn't being really creepy part of the point? Don't think Boards of Canada are trying to be childlike for example but they have sometimes used childlike voices or musical motifs to get at something primal and scary and queasy.

i don't think animal collective try and be infantile at all?

I think if you're trying to be a bit creepy and sinister with it then it's alright, Exhibit A being Kate Bush.

I remember a Kimya Dawson album I reviewed for(/rejected from) my radio station had a song called "Pee Pee in the Potty." what's up with that????

Usher's "Hey Daddy" creepy y/n?

I am sure lex is actually talking about "wetter" by twista when he is talking about hating twee

Usher's "Hey Daddy" creepy y/n?

― Don't mention de Boer (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 2, 2010 4:48 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

i have posted about this before

"wetter" is actually worse since the chick just moans "daddy" over and over again and sounds like an actual child

beyoncé's "daddy" as well o_0

tho those are slightly different in that none of those artists are seeking to retreat into a childlike-naïveté cocoon - sampling children's voices for creepy effect is another completely separate thing, that can be tremendously effective. it's more when the artist's voice, across most of their material, is intentionally infantile.

kimya dawson is a disgusting savage.

lex, you will hate the shit out of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7KieUW6HR8

I wonder at what point the infantilism in twee vocals just became a style that twee-influenced artists adopted without considering the implications? Or if that's the case at all?

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

RIP Michael Jackson

― Adge Cutler & the Özils (NickB), Friday, July 2, 2010 1:40 AM Bookmark

MJ was pretty fuckin creepy! Not sure who denies this other than his most disgusting stans.

i agree w/rev that person pitch is one of the worst things i've ever heard

YOU GET ME WRONG! PERSON PITCH IS NOT ONE OF THE WORST THINGS I HAVE EVER HEARD, IT IS FAR AND AWAY THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD. IF I HEARD SOME SEAN KINGSTON OR SOMETHING AND WAS LIKE "DAMN, THIS IS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD" I'D HAVE TO BACK UP AND BE LIKE "WAIT A MINUTE, THIS IS NOT WORSE THAN FUCKING PANDA BEAR." I'D RATHER LISTEN TO AN HOUR OF CONSTRUCTION WORKERS TEARING OUT REBAR.

that's crazy imo

ok do I have to post the 311 "Come Original" video in the 2005-2009 tracks poll thread to prove Rev wrong

i guess i think it's just inherently inoffensive music to the eardrum

at worst

I WASN'T THAT WAY UNTIL I HEARD PANDA BEAR.

I WOULD TAKE COME ORIGINAL ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

oh my fucking god that boy least likely to video >>>>:O

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, July 2, 2010 5:09 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm glad i could be of service here

OR ANY SECOND OF THE YEAR.

like, bros is just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

bros always be just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

like, how can you actively hate "i'm not"

Tbh, I never made it past halfway through the second track and then I skipped around to see if it all sounded like that, the answer to which I found to be an affirmative.

otoh i only truly came around to panda bear after smoking weed one night, so maybe that's it

lol

@ both

like, bros is just acoustic guitar strumming for 17 minutes

and out-of-tune burbling about bullshit over the top, recorded in a toilet - possibly in the actual toilet - from two rooms away

I don't even really remember what it sounded like other my nightmares.

My experience is that most of these tweepop types are nice and well-meaning if tasteless middle class kids. I propose a social experiment where you sit various tweepop bands in front of a computer and show them a load of furry shit and watch the realisation slowly sink in.

Actually, I don't think I've had nightmares that sounded so bad, so I that's not it, either.