ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

the phrase in my world of young ppl is really cracking me up too -- would make a good title for deej's memoirs

hahah

*starts kickstarter page*

deej did you seriously just call the Winehouse album 'critically underrated'? i've barely even SEEN a negative review of that record wtf.

― ripe dink (some dude), Thursday, July 1, 2010 7:50 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk 6.4 in pitchfork, did it even rank in their year end list that year

so you think the-dream is critically underrated then?

p4k has had a weird relationship w/ wino

w/ r&b music

the-dream WAS critically underrated, until rolling stone gave love v money a 4.5 star review

wow "rej" is great

whenever i curiously creep into the ilm dance threads i always seem to click on the tracks i don't like and miss out on the ones i do/would like such as this one

regardless, i meant more critically underrated around these parts ... who here is voting for amy winehouse albums?

in the critical world we're a part of it def was

back to black was my #3 :D

w/ r&b music

― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 1, 2010 6:05 PM Bookmark

eh, although winehouse is r&b obv, there tends to be this phenomenon of otherwise r&b-ignorant outlets giving blanket coverage of (usually british, usually white) retro-soul types, which to their credit, I guess, p4k hasn't fallen into, but that doesn't mean that when something great comes from that scene, they shouldn't acknowledge it

the thing was, winehouse resonated for, like, personality reasons -- its a very 'authentically R&B' (kill me) way to hit people but like ... she seemed like a human being, not a joss stone generic "im really into the authentic stuff" boring derivative crap ... like, just the way she used modern slang & seemed like it was her singing instead of some channeling of the past was what made her worthwhile imo

i used to work w/ all these R&B fans & they were totally into her

yeah, otm. i always felt like the use of themes and language that seperated it from its influences did a great job of helping her avoid the trap of becoming a period piece or a stodgy authenticist. the record has personality in spades and it's all amy.

Agree that Winehouse suffers from ubiquity. For a few years she was everywhere - on the radio (how many singles were there off that album?), on the front of every gossip magazine at the supermarket, every Hallowe'en party had at least two Winehouses...so it's hard for me to listen to this fresh. I don't think I'll ever love it, but I'm sure I'll look back more appreciatively in the future.

Actually after listening to "Rehab" again (and I managed not to hear it all that much), I am reminded why I was never interested in her. It doesn't strike much of a chord for me musically (I don't hate it, but I am not into it) and the lyrics and image don't interest me. I'm not very fascinated with the whole junkie mystique.

(And if that's annoying just be glad I'm not commenting on all the tracks I do hate on this list.)

Speaking of, I'm going to repost those since they're buried behind the cut now.

Wednesday's results:

100. NE-YO "Because of You" (2007) [195.5 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]
99. DAMIAN "JR. GONG" MARLEY "Welcome to Jamrock" (2005) [197 points, 11 votes]
98. CHAMILLIONAIRE ft. KRAYZIE BONE "Ridin'" (2005) [198.5 points, 10 votes]
97. RÓISÍN MURPHY "Overpowered" (2007) [199.5 points, 10 votes]
96. THE KNIFE "Marble House" (2006) [204.5 points, 10 votes]
95. CAMERA OBSCURA "Lloyd, I'm Ready to Be Heartbroken" (2006) [204.5 points, 11 votes]
94. THE-DREAM "Fancy" (2009) [205.5 points, 8 votes]
93. BIG BOI ft. GUCCI MANE "Shine Blockas" (2009) [206 points, 8 votes]
92. CORTNEY TIDWELL "Don't Let Stars Keep Us Tangled Up (Ewan Pearson Objects in Space Remix)" (2007) [207.5 points, 10 votes]
91. LCD SOUNDSYSTEM "45:33" (2006) [208 points, 10 votes]
90. WASHED OUT "Feel it All Around" (2009) [208.5 points, 10 votes]
89. GIRLS "Lust for Life" (2008) [209 points, 8 votes]
88. LADY GAGA "Paparazzi" (2009) [209 points, 10 votes]
87. ROBYN "Be Mine" (2005) [209 points, 12 votes]
86. THE HOLD STEADY "Stuck Between Stations" (2007) [210.5 points, 8 votes]
85. JACKIE CHAIN ft. JHI ALI "Rollin'" (2008) [212.5 points, 7 votes]
84. FEVER RAY "Seven" (2009) [212.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
83. FUTURE OF THE LEFT "Arming Eritrea" (2009) [213.5 points, 10 votes]
82. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE "SexyBack" (2006) [216 points, 9 votes]
81. JOY ORBISON "Hyph Mngo" (2009) [219.5 points, 9 votes]

Today's results:

80. YEAH YEAH YEAHS "Zero" (2009) [221.5 points, 9 votes]
79. CHROMATICS "In the City" (2006) [223.5 points, 8 votes]
78. THE FALL "Blindness" (2005) [225.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
77. MAXWELL "Pretty Wings" (2009) [227 points, 9 votes]
76. ÂME "Rej" (2005) [228 points, 10 votes]
75. GHOSTFACE KILLAH "Shakey Dog" (2006) [228 points, 11 votes]
74. MGMT "Time to Pretend" (2007) [228 points, 13 votes]
73. DJ QUIK & KURUPT "9x Outta Ten" (2009) [229.5 points, 10 votes]
72. GANG GANG DANCE "House Jam" (2008) [230.5 points, 11 votes]
71. KANYE WEST "Love Lockdown" (2008) [230.5 points, 12 votes]
70. GRINDERMAN "No Pussy Blues" (2007) [232 points, 9 votes]
69. HOT CHIP "Ready for the Floor" (2008) [237.5 points, 11 votes]
68. THE XX "Crystalised" (2009) [239 points, 12 votes]
67. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE "Fireworks" (2007) [240 points, 11 votes]
66. JUNIOR BOYS "In the Morning" (2006) [240.5 points, 12 votes]
65. OF MONTREAL "The Past Is a Grotesque Animal" (2007) [241.5 points, 10 votes]
64. FEVER RAY "When I Grow Up" (2009) [243 points, 11 votes]
63. NELLY FURTADO "Maneater" (2006) [243.5 points, 13 votes]
62. KANYE WEST "Can't Tell Me Nothing" (2007) [249.5 points, 15 votes]
61. AMY WINEHOUSE "Rehab" (2006) [250.5 points, 12 votes]

xp ehhh, that's a pretty limited read on winehouse. (which is fair! "rehab" only reflects a limited part of her persona.) imo she sings about the ups and downs of romance better than she does about substance problems. i mean, the sheer number of twists she manages to imbue "you know i'm no good" with is impressive.

sings and writes*

Only three first-place votes so far, not sure whether to read anything into that. Pretty sure mine won't be turning up though.

SPOILER Five first-place votes tomorrow.

HYPE HYPE

ill be curious to see what got first place votes and didnt reach the top 100

Two tracks received first-place votes and no others, meaning they scored 40 points each. The lowest scoring track to receive a first-place vote and one additional vote scored 45 points and is ranked 446th. < / nerdery >

i thought my #1 might be one of those but it seems like something that others might vote for. the others not so much

3/40 so far ("rollin", "arming eritrea", "pretty wings")

I'm hoping that somebody else voted for my #1, and I think it's a strong possibility based on the fact that there's an entire thread dedicated to it somewhere around here. But I'm a little worried.

ANYWAY, going back a bit, I have a love/hate relationship with Animal Collective, but Avey Tare on "For Reverend Green" is one of my favorite vocal performances ever. The way he modulates between singing and screaming is unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHQukKXxCw

haven't read this whole thread yet. i voted for like 7 of the last 10, my picks increased greatly.

my introduction to Animal Collective was Strawberry Jam, hated it at first. keep listening and became a fan, really did not think that would ever happen with this band. i had such a strong disliking to SJ that i listed it for sale. "For Reverend Green" is also my favorite song by them. "Forever In Dream."

also knew that Junior Boys would be well received, actually shocked it is so low. thinking about it 66 out of 100 for five years, really is pretty good.

People saying that the Animal Collective guys "can't sing" are just... well if that opinion's not completely ignorant, it's just plain stupid

I don't think people were saying that they "can't sing", or at least that was not my point... All I was saying is that the whiny high-pitched thing he does with his voice in the song linked upthread is supremely irritating. I hadn't heard any Animal Collection songs before this thread, so I guess it's possible they sound better somewhere else. Though based on that one song, I don't think I'm gonna explore them any further.

quit pretending that you haven't spent half of this thread endlessly talking about how everyone working in some sort of rock idiom cant sing, dude.

Animal Collection

This is quality work imo

Tuomas calling them animal collection kills me for some reason

xp lol

quit pretending that you haven't spent half of this thread endlessly talking about how everyone working in some sort of rock idiom cant sing, dude.

"Endlessly talking", eh? I've criticized three rock songs here, and you can't really say that the The Fall singer or the Future of the Left singer are the best representatives of the "rock idiom". For what it's worth, I have nothing against "rock singing" as such, I do like many singers in that genre.

sorta confused by deej's assertion that winehouse is critically underrated, given that back to black is one of the most universally acclaimed albums of the past decade!

Over here, Rehab was pretty much the first song since Crazy In Love to go right into the undisputed wedding disco canon, probably even more so seeing as it had this weird kind of pan-generational appeal - grandparents liked it as much as kids. I don't actually like Rehab very much but then I don't really like Winehouse's voice very much at all.

In The Morning is great obviously but the Alex Smoke remix is one of the most gorgeous things ever - music box chiming and this voice that occasionally goes 'mwah!' in both ears.

Tuomas you are being a fucking idiot about The Fall because clearly whether or not Mark E Smith can "sing" is so far beside the point as to be laughable, AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FALL.

whenever people say "the mums/grandparents like it as well as the kids" i think of my own parents and grandparents, and sigh

Tuomas you are being a fucking idiot about The Fall because clearly whether or not Mark E Smith can "sing" is so far beside the point as to be laughable, AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FALL.

What is the point then? It's not like the rest of the players sound particularly good or interesting either. Generally, when I hear a rock song, in order to catch my interest I expect it to have at least some kind of singing, or lacking that, some instrumental prowess. I hear neither in the song upthread.

it's catchy

The point is, I believe, the lyrics, the observations and the delivery. But while I can't really get past the delivery I do like a lot of similar stuff (chiefly the amazing John Cooper Clarke) so I'm broadly sympathetic to that viewpoint.

I think "instrumental prowess" is even less important than "singing" in this context, as you'd expect from someone who's sacked his own band several times over.

If the point is the lyrics and the observations, why don't he just write poetry? Or do stand-up or something? What's the point of fronting a rock band?

because some people, like me, actually think the music sounds good & interesting & cool

If you have a rock band where the players are utterly mediocre and boring and the "singer" can't/won't sing, what is the point of the band's existence?

(x-post)

tuomas you should google the word "subjective"

"mediocre" by whose opinion???? and vocalizing does not have to necessarily be "singing"