Damn, that's great!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
not surprised Ilxor's First Ghostface he rates on par with supreme clientele
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, a while back matos and i were talking about back to black and he was like "the thing about it that no one ever says is that it's one of the best singer-songwriter albums EVER", which i am inclined to agree with
― The Reverend, Thursday, July 1, 2010 2:57 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this was really critically underrated, its a great album -- in my world of young ppl it was mostly really, really popular w/ girls (ero underrated by dudes for some reason -- not 'authentic' enough??) plus she kinda had style icon status going til she burned out ... basically
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
that record is also 100x better than anything jamie lidell ever did
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
totally essential is Jackie's own "Diamonds and Cadillacs"
― The Reverend, Thursday, July 1, 2010 7:20 PM (1 hour ago)
inexplicably, this was left off of the nominations list - voted for it anyway. just a perfect rap song, and i prefer it to "rollin", which i also love
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link
deej did you seriously just call the Winehouse album 'critically underrated'? i've barely even SEEN a negative review of that record wtf.
― ripe dink (some dude), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it pwnd pazz & jop too
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the phrase in my world of young ppl is really cracking me up too -- would make a good title for deej's memoirs
― ripe dink (some dude), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
hahah
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
*starts kickstarter page*
― ripe dink (some dude), Thursday, July 1, 2010 7:50 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idk 6.4 in pitchfork, did it even rank in their year end list that year
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
so you think the-dream is critically underrated then?
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link
p4k has had a weird relationship w/ wino
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
w/ r&b music
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Friday, 2 July 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the-dream WAS critically underrated, until rolling stone gave love v money a 4.5 star review
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
wow "rej" is great
whenever i curiously creep into the ilm dance threads i always seem to click on the tracks i don't like and miss out on the ones i do/would like such as this one
― ciderpress, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
regardless, i meant more critically underrated around these parts ... who here is voting for amy winehouse albums?
in the critical world we're a part of it def was
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
back to black was my #3 :D
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Thursday, July 1, 2010 6:05 PM Bookmark
eh, although winehouse is r&b obv, there tends to be this phenomenon of otherwise r&b-ignorant outlets giving blanket coverage of (usually british, usually white) retro-soul types, which to their credit, I guess, p4k hasn't fallen into, but that doesn't mean that when something great comes from that scene, they shouldn't acknowledge it
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing was, winehouse resonated for, like, personality reasons -- its a very 'authentically R&B' (kill me) way to hit people but like ... she seemed like a human being, not a joss stone generic "im really into the authentic stuff" boring derivative crap ... like, just the way she used modern slang & seemed like it was her singing instead of some channeling of the past was what made her worthwhile imo
i used to work w/ all these R&B fans & they were totally into her
― blap...tremendo (deej), Friday, 2 July 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, otm. i always felt like the use of themes and language that seperated it from its influences did a great job of helping her avoid the trap of becoming a period piece or a stodgy authenticist. the record has personality in spades and it's all amy.
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Agree that Winehouse suffers from ubiquity. For a few years she was everywhere - on the radio (how many singles were there off that album?), on the front of every gossip magazine at the supermarket, every Hallowe'en party had at least two Winehouses...so it's hard for me to listen to this fresh. I don't think I'll ever love it, but I'm sure I'll look back more appreciatively in the future.
― seandalai, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually after listening to "Rehab" again (and I managed not to hear it all that much), I am reminded why I was never interested in her. It doesn't strike much of a chord for me musically (I don't hate it, but I am not into it) and the lyrics and image don't interest me. I'm not very fascinated with the whole junkie mystique.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
(And if that's annoying just be glad I'm not commenting on all the tracks I do hate on this list.)
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 2 July 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Speaking of, I'm going to repost those since they're buried behind the cut now.
Wednesday's results:
100. NE-YO "Because of You" (2007) [195.5 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]99. DAMIAN "JR. GONG" MARLEY "Welcome to Jamrock" (2005) [197 points, 11 votes]98. CHAMILLIONAIRE ft. KRAYZIE BONE "Ridin'" (2005) [198.5 points, 10 votes]97. RÓISÍN MURPHY "Overpowered" (2007) [199.5 points, 10 votes]96. THE KNIFE "Marble House" (2006) [204.5 points, 10 votes]95. CAMERA OBSCURA "Lloyd, I'm Ready to Be Heartbroken" (2006) [204.5 points, 11 votes]94. THE-DREAM "Fancy" (2009) [205.5 points, 8 votes]93. BIG BOI ft. GUCCI MANE "Shine Blockas" (2009) [206 points, 8 votes]92. CORTNEY TIDWELL "Don't Let Stars Keep Us Tangled Up (Ewan Pearson Objects in Space Remix)" (2007) [207.5 points, 10 votes]91. LCD SOUNDSYSTEM "45:33" (2006) [208 points, 10 votes]90. WASHED OUT "Feel it All Around" (2009) [208.5 points, 10 votes]89. GIRLS "Lust for Life" (2008) [209 points, 8 votes]88. LADY GAGA "Paparazzi" (2009) [209 points, 10 votes]87. ROBYN "Be Mine" (2005) [209 points, 12 votes]86. THE HOLD STEADY "Stuck Between Stations" (2007) [210.5 points, 8 votes]85. JACKIE CHAIN ft. JHI ALI "Rollin'" (2008) [212.5 points, 7 votes]84. FEVER RAY "Seven" (2009) [212.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]83. FUTURE OF THE LEFT "Arming Eritrea" (2009) [213.5 points, 10 votes]82. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE "SexyBack" (2006) [216 points, 9 votes]81. JOY ORBISON "Hyph Mngo" (2009) [219.5 points, 9 votes]
Today's results:
80. YEAH YEAH YEAHS "Zero" (2009) [221.5 points, 9 votes]79. CHROMATICS "In the City" (2006) [223.5 points, 8 votes]78. THE FALL "Blindness" (2005) [225.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]77. MAXWELL "Pretty Wings" (2009) [227 points, 9 votes]76. ÂME "Rej" (2005) [228 points, 10 votes]75. GHOSTFACE KILLAH "Shakey Dog" (2006) [228 points, 11 votes]74. MGMT "Time to Pretend" (2007) [228 points, 13 votes]73. DJ QUIK & KURUPT "9x Outta Ten" (2009) [229.5 points, 10 votes]72. GANG GANG DANCE "House Jam" (2008) [230.5 points, 11 votes]71. KANYE WEST "Love Lockdown" (2008) [230.5 points, 12 votes]70. GRINDERMAN "No Pussy Blues" (2007) [232 points, 9 votes]69. HOT CHIP "Ready for the Floor" (2008) [237.5 points, 11 votes]68. THE XX "Crystalised" (2009) [239 points, 12 votes]67. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE "Fireworks" (2007) [240 points, 11 votes]66. JUNIOR BOYS "In the Morning" (2006) [240.5 points, 12 votes]65. OF MONTREAL "The Past Is a Grotesque Animal" (2007) [241.5 points, 10 votes]64. FEVER RAY "When I Grow Up" (2009) [243 points, 11 votes]63. NELLY FURTADO "Maneater" (2006) [243.5 points, 13 votes]62. KANYE WEST "Can't Tell Me Nothing" (2007) [249.5 points, 15 votes]61. AMY WINEHOUSE "Rehab" (2006) [250.5 points, 12 votes]
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
xp ehhh, that's a pretty limited read on winehouse. (which is fair! "rehab" only reflects a limited part of her persona.) imo she sings about the ups and downs of romance better than she does about substance problems. i mean, the sheer number of twists she manages to imbue "you know i'm no good" with is impressive.
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
sings and writes*
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Only three first-place votes so far, not sure whether to read anything into that. Pretty sure mine won't be turning up though.
― seandalai, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link
SPOILER Five first-place votes tomorrow.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
HYPE HYPE
― The Reverend, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link
ill be curious to see what got first place votes and didnt reach the top 100
― /\/K/\/\, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Two tracks received first-place votes and no others, meaning they scored 40 points each. The lowest scoring track to receive a first-place vote and one additional vote scored 45 points and is ranked 446th. < / nerdery >
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 July 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought my #1 might be one of those but it seems like something that others might vote for. the others not so much
― king solomon and the surrealists (electricsound), Friday, 2 July 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
3/40 so far ("rollin", "arming eritrea", "pretty wings")
― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Friday, 2 July 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm hoping that somebody else voted for my #1, and I think it's a strong possibility based on the fact that there's an entire thread dedicated to it somewhere around here. But I'm a little worried.
ANYWAY, going back a bit, I have a love/hate relationship with Animal Collective, but Avey Tare on "For Reverend Green" is one of my favorite vocal performances ever. The way he modulates between singing and screaming is unreal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhHQukKXxCw
― Parenthetical Grillz, Friday, 2 July 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link
haven't read this whole thread yet. i voted for like 7 of the last 10, my picks increased greatly.
― Boo Radley (Bee OK), Friday, 2 July 2010 04:24 (thirteen years ago) link
my introduction to Animal Collective was Strawberry Jam, hated it at first. keep listening and became a fan, really did not think that would ever happen with this band. i had such a strong disliking to SJ that i listed it for sale. "For Reverend Green" is also my favorite song by them. "Forever In Dream."
― Boo Radley (Bee OK), Friday, 2 July 2010 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
also knew that Junior Boys would be well received, actually shocked it is so low. thinking about it 66 out of 100 for five years, really is pretty good.
― Boo Radley (Bee OK), Friday, 2 July 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
People saying that the Animal Collective guys "can't sing" are just... well if that opinion's not completely ignorant, it's just plain stupid
I don't think people were saying that they "can't sing", or at least that was not my point... All I was saying is that the whiny high-pitched thing he does with his voice in the song linked upthread is supremely irritating. I hadn't heard any Animal Collection songs before this thread, so I guess it's possible they sound better somewhere else. Though based on that one song, I don't think I'm gonna explore them any further.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 July 2010 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
quit pretending that you haven't spent half of this thread endlessly talking about how everyone working in some sort of rock idiom cant sing, dude.
― BEAROTAURDED (jjjusten), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Animal Collection
This is quality work imo
― Don't mention de Boer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Tuomas calling them animal collection kills me for some reason
xp lol
― symsymsym, Friday, 2 July 2010 07:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"Endlessly talking", eh? I've criticized three rock songs here, and you can't really say that the The Fall singer or the Future of the Left singer are the best representatives of the "rock idiom". For what it's worth, I have nothing against "rock singing" as such, I do like many singers in that genre.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 July 2010 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
sorta confused by deej's assertion that winehouse is critically underrated, given that back to black is one of the most universally acclaimed albums of the past decade!
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Over here, Rehab was pretty much the first song since Crazy In Love to go right into the undisputed wedding disco canon, probably even more so seeing as it had this weird kind of pan-generational appeal - grandparents liked it as much as kids. I don't actually like Rehab very much but then I don't really like Winehouse's voice very much at all.
In The Morning is great obviously but the Alex Smoke remix is one of the most gorgeous things ever - music box chiming and this voice that occasionally goes 'mwah!' in both ears.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Tuomas you are being a fucking idiot about The Fall because clearly whether or not Mark E Smith can "sing" is so far beside the point as to be laughable, AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FALL.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:55 (thirteen years ago) link
whenever people say "the mums/grandparents like it as well as the kids" i think of my own parents and grandparents, and sigh
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 2 July 2010 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link
What is the point then? It's not like the rest of the players sound particularly good or interesting either. Generally, when I hear a rock song, in order to catch my interest I expect it to have at least some kind of singing, or lacking that, some instrumental prowess. I hear neither in the song upthread.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 July 2010 08:08 (thirteen years ago) link
it's catchy
― the last air bud (crüt), Friday, 2 July 2010 08:12 (thirteen years ago) link
The point is, I believe, the lyrics, the observations and the delivery. But while I can't really get past the delivery I do like a lot of similar stuff (chiefly the amazing John Cooper Clarke) so I'm broadly sympathetic to that viewpoint.
― Vulvuzela (Matt DC), Friday, 2 July 2010 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link