Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (2010)

by all means an artist has gotta "stretch" but there's risks. Big Boi stretched modestly: his arrangements and choice of guest artists got more wack; Dre was the flashier one, more interested in sonic impact, but his failures make me question whether he wanted to impress us with how deep his CD collection is.

there are so many problems with The Love Below - it tries really hard to get by on doing a lot, to coast on credit for being all the things it's not (ie a "rap album"), but a lot it fails. Crappy guitar playing, gratuitous drum 'n' bass programming, a serious lack of editing (pretty much every song is several choruses and/or a couple minutes too long), frustratingly simplistic lyrics and hooks. I never want to sit through the whole thing.

On top of that, there isn't much 3000 has done in the 00s besides that. Some cartoon work, a couple shitty movies, a handful of guest verses, and Idlewild. Kinda pathetic.

not to back titchy up but i think some of you guys protest too much re: the love below

im not even talking about the new album so stfu. i like the new one. its cool.

"Dre is a phenomenal rapper but he got less and less interested in what he was best at. He reminds me of Neil Young in the eighties: drifting from genre exercise to exercise, in a perverse attempt to deny his talents."

cant disagree with that. i never listen to speakerboxxx or the love below (though a day in the life is still great) if im honest. my favourite kast song of the last decade is prob mighty o.

"I suspect you are wrong about this"

yes, probably, some disagreed, im sure.

probably you mighty intellects on ilx.

goodie mob with ceelo (ie the first album) is better than gnarls and cee-lo solo. same way outkast is better than dre solo. liked tracks like big ole words but god, a lot of solo cee lo was pretty awful. never want to hear ceelo talking about being a closet freak again.

dude took his guitar for a walk in the park, got lost, never came back

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"im not even talking about the new album so stfu. i like the new one. its cool"

^^this was in response to the whiny post made by missipipi shakedown

i only referred to you as fighting with whiney not backlashing

hey ya is pretty dope still.

I have trouble not viewing 3000's retreat from music as an admission of defeat, as a kind of capitulation. His issues with how hip hop was evolving were front and center and he was clearly growing uncomfortable/uninterested in a lot of hip hop culture, but rather than use his position and prominence to try and reshape or remold things in a different direction, he just gave up and walked away. Which comes off as a cop-out. Hip hop is pretty boundless in terms of the sounds and styles it can accomodate, it's sad that he wouldn't use this to his advantage and instead opt to make a fairly ambitious but also amateurish hodge-podge and then just vanish. Big Boi's approach, by comparison, is so much more inviting and invigorating.

(won't argue that Hey Ya is an amazing track - knocked it out of the park with that. little else on the album comes close though. maybe Dracula's Wedding)

Don't mind "Spread."

Yeah, "Spread" is quite good. One of the few times he really succeeds on TLB.

"she lives in my lap" is still my jam

gotta say "Turns Me On" is my fave even though it's essentially a note-for-note rewrite of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFmfwRJ68Ww

lol @ how no one ever mentions/discusses Idlewild

p much every Andre track on that is terrible*, while about a third of the Big tracks are good

*fsvo terrible, the whole album is, like, perfectly listenable

fsvo?

big boi is a great rapper, titchy is wrong except that yes ppl are overrating big boi now but its still a good album & both it & speakerboxx are much better than love below ... speakerboxx is in fact great

i kinda had a good time with the movie (idlewild) even though it was kinda o_O goofy

i didn't see the movie but nothing i saw about it made it seem that it would be anything other than goofy

general patton is dope btw

would love to see any other example of people complaining that a rap beat is too epic

as far as comparing big boi + dre.... i love them both but big boi has a new album and dre doesn't!

^^^ real talk

i was gonna say that at least bun's verse isn't corny on this remix then he started rapping about remixing the song like kool aid

as far as comparing big boi + dre.... i love them both but big boi has a new album and dre doesn't!

― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, July 1, 2010 5:40 PM Bookmark

^^much more fair than most of what ppl have been saying itt

by the way everybody, this album is still great after you listen to if for three days straight

I actually liked that Kool Aid line...

i'm glad someone else remembers that dungeon family album! that was great.

I really enjoyed this on first listen - all summer jams all the time!

I feel like it really has a similar feel to the DJ Quik & Kurupt album, so I have a tendency to want to hold it to that standard. It doesn't hit the mark as consistently though, and it ends up feeling kind of disappointing to me, even as I like almost everything on it. I wish I could share you guys' unabated enthusiasm.

give it a few weeks

Eh.

It reminds me a lot of The Humdinger by Nappy Roots, similar riotous vibe. And, yes, Quik & Kurupt as well, but that's such a lean album it's bound to be more consistent.

Funny you mention BlaQKout, Rev. I was driving around tonight and the same sort of thought popped into my head. I think BlaQKout is better, though. Initially at least.

i described it as "this year's blaqkout" to someone yesterday! not quite true but it was to get them to listen to it and it's true-ish enough

Oh yeah, The Humdinger is a good comparison, too! (Which reminds me I need to hear their new album.) And this is probably as good as The Humdinger, so I really shouldn't be giving it short shrift.

idlewild does still have some jams ppl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNoLHZauCZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOhLxnEjAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0LTGQ7XKyM

basically if you cut out the lolsmfhdre3000 bits its a dope album imo

did Marcello once say that Idlewild was just as great if not better than any other Outkast record, and anyone who disagreed was plainly a Tory scum who should have their ears filled with molten lead, or something like that?

i'm glad someone else remembers that dungeon family album! that was great.

^^^this. love that record. seems like it was totally slept on

Yeah, it's classic for all time. White Gutz is the best ever. With a killer Big Boi opening verse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjNKP4o9pgw

go from 12 to 12 Monday to Sunday.... take the first two days and sleep like mummies... and I'm out

2x

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idlewild has mighty o. forget all those other tracks, except maybe hollywood divorce. dungeon family album is cool but if they had done it earlier in the day (like say around the time they did cool breezes watch for the hook) it would have been 10 x better. felt like another crew album for the sake of a crew album, and a bit after the fact, by the time they actually got round to doing it.

you know who should do an new album?

cool breeze!

embarassing moments in ilx poll history

Best verse in "Watch For The Hook" (1999)

dissapointed royal flush isnt on this btw.

does this album have the best (american) rapping of the year?

I just got this at the same time I got the two E-40 Revenue Retrievin albums and I gotta say it's a close call

40's kinda in his own universe tho imho

thanks for the heads up. love this.

one good thing about it is sometimes i think big boi has a bad weakness for too many guests, and guests for their own sake, plus poor hooks, but this album does pretty well in avoiding those. plus the hook with janelle monae is sublime.

does this album have the best (american) rapping of the year?

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, July 2, 2010 1:43 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think the Roc Marciano might take that one for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uVHsPOL8j0