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The entire Nu Metal genre was dud

What exactly is "nu-metal" and how does it relate to Tool? I thought "nu metal" basically related to rap-metal, which doesn't seem related to Tool in the slightest. Tool always seemed more aligned with Progressive Metal or Art Metal or Alt Metal or whatever empty moniker you choose for it. It has nothing to do with Korn or Linkin Park.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:15 (twenty years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu-metal

― Cee Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:21 (twenty years ago)

owned! wikipedia is the unassailable, definitive, unquestionable source on everything!

― Alex in Baghdad, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Wikipedia contains the answers to every question anyone could possibly ask

― Cee Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 23:26 (twenty years ago)

LOCK THIS THREAD

― Cee Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:01 (twenty years ago)

what genre is Radiohead an avatar for?

― is this a trick question, Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:09 (twenty years ago)

Goth

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:13 (twenty years ago)

Coldplay

― strongo hulkington is a guy with a belly button piercing (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 4 May 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Both true.

I've been slowly sinking into the album on and off for the last week and a half -- it's taken more time for me to get into than Lateralus but I think I've 'got' the album now, in my own sense of it, and it goes like this: the equivalent of the dramatic closing triptych on Lateralus are the two parts of "10,000 Days" itself, which are placed much earlier in the album. In otherwards, in a weird way, this is less an album that builds up to an explosive ending/epilogue than it is one detailing an extended aftermath, thanks to its sequencing. More thoughts later.

Meantime, though, I'm tickled to have noticed this:

According to Neilsen SoundScan, "10,000 Days" sold a whopping 564,000 copies in its first week here in the US, landing at #1 in the Billboard Top 200 and outselling Pearl Jam's new album (#2) by a little more than 2-to-1.

It seems right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 23:21 (twenty years ago)

As a fan of the previous albums, I fucking hate this one. So. much.

― Simon H. (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 May 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

The new Pearl Jam is, sadly, so very much better.

― Simon H. (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 May 2006 00:48 (twenty years ago)

I must sweetly disagree with you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 11:30 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps the worst band of all time.

― Seth (Sef), Sunday, 14 May 2006 11:58 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that was useful! I don't know what got into me, being impressed by their music, lyrics and art like that. Thanks to your insightful post, I have now seen the light and will never listen to them again. Thank you!

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 14 May 2006 12:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/45019/

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 14 May 2006 12:54 (twenty years ago)

holy shit that video is amazing!

― punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 14:19 (twenty years ago)

The world would be a considerably better place if Maynard had died and Staley survived...

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 14 May 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Are they scared to write a memorable song?

― Seth Powell (Sef), Sunday, 14 May 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

The world would be a considerably better place if Maynard had died and Staley survived...

Hmm, now the Lollapalooza 1993 flashbacks are kicking in (Maynard backed up Layne pretty well on "Rooster," it has be said).

Are they scared to write a memorable song?

Desperate but not serious, I see.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Their new album is amazing. Bought it first day of release and seem to play it over and over again.

― BeeOK (boo radley), Sunday, 14 May 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

i like that siegbran finds the time to pop in and dis tool! there is something about this band...they bring it out in people.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

i like that siegbran finds the time to pop in and dis tool!

I like it too! I have my parallels. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

my theory is that there are certain bands-- Tool included-- that wouldn't bother people so much if there wasn't such a good reason to despite their fan base.

― punis (punis), Sunday, 14 May 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

haha
owned! wikipedia is the unassailable, definitive, unquestionable source on everything!

-- Alex in Baghdad (fdslk...), May 4th, 2006.

so, Primus and Tool started nu-metal. Wow. I can see how Rage are linked but if you can say just because the band members of Korn and Linkin Park admire Tool, that they were the god fathers, you'd be a ratard. They probably also like the agression in bands like Pantera, doesn't mean they're god fathers to such a god'forsakin' horrid genre though.

― boo! (micarl), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

the new CD is solid. takes a few listens and there are some preludes which could be left out but over all, i like it

― boo! (micarl), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

i heard a tool fan trying to convert a non-believer a couple weeks ago in the record store and i did kinda want to kill him.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

new album kinda roolz!

― city of gyros (chaki), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

wait, let me amend that. the other dude was ALREADY a tool fan and the uber-tool fan was still trying to convert him. that's what bugged me. dude was cornered. "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THEM LIVE?" "nnnn...no" "IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE THEM LIVE OH MY GOD GO!!" it went on like that for quite a while. dude should have said yes.

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Lord.

My friend Tom out here says that when he went to get the album on the day of release, they had already sold out at the Best Buy he was at, and the various fans there forlornly looking for a record and commiserating with him on the state of affairs included a Mexican-American woman in her late forties and a biker dude in his late twenties or so. Tool, the band that brings everyone together (when the uberfans don't get in the way).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 May 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Many monkeys squabbling angrily over a bag of peanuts.

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 15 May 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Stop Removing or Altering The Tool References From The Article

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:47 (twenty years ago)

I like this kid's crazy list of what constitutes a metal band.

"Its sound can change because of technology, but most of the time you can´t guess the release year of a song you don´t know. It doesn´t follow trends."

"Its music does not have lyrics with common topics you can found in radio"

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Monday, 15 May 2006 01:56 (twenty years ago)

btw sry if i suck at this..im new at Wikipedia

A Perfect Tool among many!

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 15 May 2006 02:20 (twenty years ago)

with each album the tool fanbase seems to be getting dumber, louder, zealous, thin-skinned and defensive. why?

maybe it's the political climate, or perhaps it's the effect of the internet becoming more pervasive and ubiquitous than ever. perhaps it is the entering of saturn into uranus, activating thelemic archetypes on the third level of the etheric plane. perhaps i am tired and trying too hard.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:04 (twenty years ago)

in summation: "DUDE I TOTALLY DRANK MAYNARD'S SWEAT!"

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Stoner.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 May 2006 04:05 (twenty years ago)

though i must say: upon only two listens to "10,000 days" i can't say that i'm all that impressed. i heard the first single a month ago and could predict every chord change. but it must grow on me, i suppose.

so: did it grow? because after one listen i'm not sure when i'll go back. surprisingly dull. but i have this sneaking suspicion i need to put more time in with it; that i missed something.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

You did. (I am biased.) It took three listens for me.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

i shall return to it, and try harder.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

YES DAMN YOU. (I tease.) Keep in mind my little note above -- it's a very oddly structured album but not impenetrable.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

if only i had the money these days to buy drugs

― late to the bloom to the er (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

The album's gone platinum in the States and is still in the top ten. I am merry. And it's still my album of the year at this point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 June 2006 03:29 (twenty years ago)

"IF YOU EVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE THEM LIVE OH MY GOD GO!!"

OTM. Seen them in Düsseldorf last week, they're pretty amazing.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 12 June 2006 05:31 (twenty years ago)

The first memory I have of Tool was when I was 16 or 17, and my friend played me that Aenema record, saying how great the band is. I remember staring at the hologram cover, thinking "People actually think this cover is cool?!". When I heard the actual music, it fitted the cover perfectly. Now, I don't have anything against hologram covers per se, but like with prog wankery, I can appreciate them only if they're light-hearted and fun. Because no matter how "deep" and "dark" you try to make it look, it's still a fucking hologram cover!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 12 June 2006 07:43 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but Tuomas if you flip the "deep" "dark" insert around it's an animated picture of a guy sucking his own dick while the band sits on a couch in front of him, with the lead singer stark naked standing up to throw an apparently (ahem)used tissue onto the floor. There's nothing fun about that?

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah, plus recipes for cookies laced with turkish hash...recited in german!

― latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:22 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, okay, maybe you just have a different idea of "fun".

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:26 (twenty years ago)

tool should totally make their next album an epic concept piece about frolicking in the snow with photogenic finnish friends

― latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:31 (twenty years ago)

;-)

― latebloomer's potater chip of the proletariat (latebloomer), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:33 (twenty years ago)

They invented a fake religion! The drummer was in Green Jello! The singer was the voice of the pigs on that Green Jello song about the Three Little Pigs! I seriously doubt that these guys hate fun.

― Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Monday, 12 June 2006 08:35 (twenty years ago)

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