Acts whose entire album output has always been on the decline, with no exception

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(Oh yeah, I think Katatona/Anathema/Paradise Lost are way off too, but then again, I like pretty music.)

I kinda wish somebody would disagree with me about Devo or the B-52s (who I'm way less sure belong here than, um, the Clash.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

(And oh yeah oh yeah, I'd considered listing Metallica too -- they come really close, but I will always believe *Ride the Lightning* > the debut. Though I can defiinitely see why somebody would see things the other way around.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Prodigy's best is their third

(with exception for the entertaining singles...)

BEST SHARK JUMPER maybe.

BWAHAHAHA :'D

Gotta love some of those american 'e-lectro-nicka' fans.

bwahahaha, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

>didn't Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five follow up *The Message* with something called *Girls Love the Way He Spins* or something like that?<

actually, *They Said It Couldn't Be Done* (c. 1985). "Girls Love the Way He Spins" was the first track, though.

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

couldn't resist :)

accept my apologies already.

"The Masterplan" is a b-sides collection & therefore excempt btw.

Oasis own this thread and only politeness in regard of the thread starter is holding back the obvious conclusion imo.

bwahahaha, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: Tricky. *Blowback* is very underrated.

Not very, but it does have more decent songs than anyone was really expecting by then, like 'Excess'.

Oasis's starting point was pretty low already, though. There's a point at which distinguishing between various shades of shit becomes ridiculous.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

no big deal bwhahaha -- i know my big-beat amurrican rocktronica preferences are weird to techno purists (techno rockists? ravists?); no offense taken. same with the stuff above about hearing hip-hop "in context", and my preference for ugly metal bands after they jump the shark into beautiful goth melodies: i care what all those albums sound like now, not what they "stood for" when they came out. (but i like *all* of prodigy''s albums, including the first one AND the most recent one, so if somebody prefers one of the other ones I like, I don't mind at all!)

xp

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Prodigy's best is their third

*Explodes!*

OK.

How about The Undertones?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 20 May 2005 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

shonen knife was a good choice, by the way.

cyndi lauper? (though not if blue angel counts, i guess.)
go-gos?? (though i think xgau liked one of their later albums.)

a case could be made for blondie, too, though i doubt i'd *quite* agree with it. (their third beats their second, probably.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

go-gos?? (though i think xgau liked one of their later albums.)

their third is at least as good as their second, maybe better.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Looks like Bristol sound Owns This Thread.
Massive Attack
Tricky
Morcheeba

There's also
Daft Punk

I'd dare to say Pearl Jam. Depending on your taste.
Mull Historical Society.

elgolfo (elgolfo), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i totally agree with daft punk.

and i'd say basement jaxx, too, though nobody would agree with me.

pretenders third > second, in my mind.

i'd also love to see somebody make a case for springsteen, since i'm currently in love with his debut (the most hold-steady-like album he ever made, probably.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to take issue with xhucx's Joe Jackson suggestion: it's clear to me that "Night And Day" is a better LP than "Beat Crazy" or "Jumpin Jive". I want to argue that "I'm The Man" is as good as "Look Sharp" also but I'm less sure of that.

I agree about the Pogues, though. RRFM is their best record.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(actually. blondie # 4 > blondie #2, too, so never mind them i guess. ) (they sort of have a cheap trick-like trajectory, come to think of it.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Velvet Underground?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Wu Tang Clan

Absolutely not, The W is waaaaaaaay better than Wu-Tang Forever.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

nix on pearl jam. #2 > #1.

and no way on springsteen. #2 and #3 both > #1. #6 > #5. actually, #6 > everything else.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate to say it but...


Shellac.

hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

No way to Pearl Jam. Their best record is Vitalogy, so that throws off everything.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

V.U. #4 > V.U. #3.

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't agree! I might say #3 > #2, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

VU: Loaded > Velvet Underground (3) > VU & Nico > White Light White Heat

Anybody taking odds on whether or not The Arcade Fire will be on this list in a few years?

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

you mean the arcade fire might actually make a WORSE record than their debut?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I think maybe Ronnie Milsap got steadily worse as time went on.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe I'm just unhappy with "Twin Cinema," but: New Pornographers?

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

JAMC: Psychocandy >/= Darklands > Automatic < Honey's Dead > Stoned & Dethroned < Munki

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Psychedelic Furs

Runaways, maybe?

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Tortoise
no, the first tortoise album is terrible.

-- kyle (akmonda...), May 20th, 2005 9:36 PM. (akmonday) (link)


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(that is a massive overstatement. it's just not nearly as great as tnt and millions. I can't believe anyone would think it was).
-- kyle (akmonda...), May 20th, 2005 9:37 PM. (akmonday) (link)

Oh, y'know what? I'd actually forgotten there was an album before Millions. Ha!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Flag.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i mentioned them a millions posts ago, and nobody noticed.

Meat Puppets?

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

VU: Loaded > Velvet Underground (3) > VU & Nico > White Light White Heat

You've got your arrows back to front.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i mentioned them a millions posts ago, and nobody noticed.

So you did. OTM, though! As for Meat Puppets, I think II is a little better than I.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

meat puppets II is everything it's cracked up to be and more, which makes it better than album #1. otherwise, they would've worked quite well for this threwad.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

How about Pylon? Spoon? Don Caballero?

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Though I don't quite agree, I think the case could be made for Supergrass since I know most people love the debut most."

I think this is the best suggestion yet!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The Police? Or, surely, at least solo Sting?

Erik The Mainer (EZSnappin), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Supergrass might indeed work (though everything they've done since the debut has struck me as completely forgettable, and I have no idea if they kept getting worse or just stayed in one forgettable place.)

Third Police album Zenyatta Mondatta is probably their best (hence better than Regatta De Blanc and Vagina Dentata or whatever); otherwise, they would probably totally work.

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

16 Horsepower (discounting Hoarse and Olden)
Autechre
Breeders
!!!

B Wilson, Friday, 20 May 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Autechre?!?!?!?! Wrong thread, dude.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Psychedelic Furs

There ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys, there only xhuxk and me, and one of us is off the mark again.

Or should at least acknowledge that this is an idiosyncratic nomination, since conventional wisdom establishes Talk Talk Talk as the Furs' highwater mark, and many would rank Book Of Days over Midnight To Midnight and Mirror Moves.

I concede Love Spit Love > Trysome Eatone

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Come to think, both the Furs and the Pogues seem like strong candidates for "Acts who not only avoided the 'sophomore slump' but in fact never topped their sophomore release"

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Precious Metal
Red Cross/Redd Kross
Rose Tattoo

I wish Martin Popoff was here so he could nominate Def Leppard (at least that's my recollection; his metal book is not in front of me.)

Pysch Furs' debut is better (funnier, catchier, more energetic, more rocking, more consistent) than *Talk Talk Talk,* which I still like a lot. (And yes, "conventional wisdom" is indeed wrong sometimes.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Forever Now has always been my favorite Furs record, so I'm an island unto myself yet again.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

there's arguments to be made for all of the first 3 Furs albums, I think.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

ESG (counting EPs)

Warren Zevon, maybe (though I guess there was an Eminem-style early years album years before his "debut", so I suppose he's disqualified)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Warren Zevon's first album is pretty damned good actually. No standout
songs like "Lawyers Guns and Money" or "Werewolves of London," but very
solid.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

no way is the first red cross ep better than Born Innocent... maybe if it's just lp's, don't know, didn't keep up with their career.

upthread: SPOON???!!? what'r you, nuts?

666, Friday, 20 May 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"Carmelita" and "Mohammed's Radio" and "Poor Poor Pitful Me" and "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead" are *at least* as good as "Lawyers Guns and Money" or "Werewolves of London"! (But the same cannot be said about anything on his *real* debut album, 1969's *Wanted Dead or Alive.*)

>no way is the first red cross ep better than Born Innocent<

And "I Hate My School" and "Annete's Got the Hits" and "Cover Band" are the best songs Red Cross/Kross ever did. So their debut EP was their best record, in my book. (And their second EP, *Teen Babes From Monsanto,* beats anything they did after it, though *Neurotica* comes close.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I disagree about Go4 (doesn't meant you're wrong -- I'm an odd one who thinks Solid Gold is one of the greatest albums ever) and Mission of Burma (Vs. kills their debut EP and their first single). We'll have to see about Pylon...apparently Chain was meant as warm-up and they were going to knuckle down and make a superior LP until they broke up for the second time. Now that they've reformed, though, who knows?



Interpol will probably count for this. I can't imagine them making anything that tops Turn on the Bright Lights.

Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

no way on warren zevon. his first album, wanted dead or alive, is awful. the next two are both great. the two after that are spotty. then there's a pretty great comeback with sentimental hygiene. then he gets spotty again. the end.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link


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