Who do the British seemingly hate Q Magazine?

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whoops, you mean ‘Inspiration Award.’

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yikes! that rotating jpg that now adorns the top of this thread! What a rogues gallery (Kate 'n' Madonna 'n' Britney exempted).

also - who the flippin 'eck is Johnny Borrell?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

who the flippin 'eck is Johnny Borrell?

The git out of Razorlight, prone to pronouncing his own genius at every given opportunity.

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"because it's for old farts. semi-bald, somewhat overweight high school teachers in their late thirties who worship jimi hendrix's ghost and wish for the second coming of grunge. or U2. or both."

Yo, I don't fit into any of those categories and I read Q.

Although I am vaguely thinking of giving it up in light of the fact that they're going to dump their free CDs and their movie, DVD and game reviews. Of course, if the dumping of the above reviews means longer write-ups per CD, then I might stay.

Another thing is - why the heck do they kiss ass to Johnny Borrell all the ****ing time? His band's 'music' isn't even that good. I bought the first CD, and it was mostly crap, with only one half-decent song. I don't want to even touch CD#2 with a 10-foot pole, thank you very much. And yet they're claiming JB to be the greatest genius of the C21, or something like that. WHYYY?!

GLC (ZakAce), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, the choices choices

http://www.q4music.com/nav?page=q4music.about.currentissue

wonder which one my outer sticks newsagent will have stocked.

odds on for the britney spears cover ? doubtful.

while the choice of folks is obvious on the whole (no hip hop??), the dido one is rather baffling.

should mojo be getting concerned over this new direction i wonder, a direct assualt on the £50 man, or whatever tag they give the poor bugger these days.

though i do like the revised focus back onto music - i may just give it one last go (the dreadful naked courtney love issue was the previous last straw for me)

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

is this thread a joke?

baboon2004 (baboon2004), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Publishing first"?

Loaded mag did this, years ago. Tons of alternate covers, all were spectacularly good.

After that, they'd jumped the shark. But what a shark!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:25 (seventeen years ago) link

while the choice of folks is obvious on the whole (no hip hop??), the dido one is rather baffling.

apparently the dido one was a last minute change. it was going to be pj harvey - except she answered the question "what does q mean to you now?" with "er, not much, i don't really consider it a music magazine any more" and was immediately pulled.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah! rayyyy for PJ!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"surely the equiv. of London Review of Books would be London Review of CDs?"

The London Review of Books doesn't just review books, though - it also carries long, stand-alone articles about politics, current affairs etc. I like the idea of the London Review of Music, I must say.

bham (bham), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

woah that britney cover (tries not to have any feelings for it other than admiration of her impending motherhood)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

So, any ideas on how can we go about making the idea a reality? (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

it would help if anyone had lots of spare cash floating around!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I ought to go on Dragons Den with the idea.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The London Review of Books doesn't just review books, though - it also carries long, stand-alone articles about politics, current affairs etc. I like the idea of the London Review of Music, I must say.

I've often thought about this. The LRB did review a Herbert CD though!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

LRB only survives because of massive Arts Council subsidy -- to chagrin of TLS.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/images/home_duncan_bannatyne.jpg

"presumably an LRM would be done for love not profit. therefore I'M OUT"

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I think if handled correctly it would be profitable.

I'm not sure I would seek assistance from the ex-bassist of Rhythm System, however.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I know some people would like to pretend that only hip-hop exists, and that all other forms of music ceased existing in the 80s.

But, luckily, that is not the case. As evident on Q covers and elsewhere.

Btw. Q does write about hip-hop. All major hip-hop releases are reviewed and the biggest names are also featured in articles. Plus there are usually a couple of hip-hop albums in their year-end list, which is a fitting number considering hip-hop is just one out of hundreds of music genres.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

and out of those hundred it has managed to attract literally dozens of fans around the world, including even in the UK.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I know some people would like to pretend that only white people exist, and that all other races ceased existing in 1939.

But, luckily, that is not the case.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

wonder if they tried to get Stevie Wonder and Prince for the 20 covers thing.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:52 (seventeen years ago) link

q: What does Q magazine mean to you?
SteveOrPrince : Mever heard of it.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the first here to wonder "Who do the British seemingly hate Q Magazine?" is missing a comma?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:05 (seventeen years ago) link

If it were, it would have to be "Whom do the British seemingly hate, Q Magazine?"

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

and out of those hundred it has managed to attract literally dozens of fans around the world, including even in the UK.

It has also managed to start its own magazines, writing exclusively about hip-hop, and I guess hip-hop-fans are more likely to read those.

Besides, even though hip-hop may seem dominant in the singles list doesn't mean it is dominant within the entire population. Among kids, maybe (although not as dominant as it was a few years ago), but not among most people out of all ages.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Some of Geir's best friends are coloured.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost and your point is..?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The point is, if you have a magazine that is supposed to cover all kinds of (popular) music, then hip-hop doesn't need to claim that much of a space. Particularly not in a UK mag, given that hip-hop (not to mention contemporary R&B) is mainly a US thing.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

But does it claim to cover "all" music?

I gave it a flick through at a petrol station. Umm, fine but that's the relaunch version?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 October 2006 07:27 (seventeen years ago) link

this idea of the london review of cds comes up all the time. ew, gross. wouldn't want to read articles about written about music the way they write about books.

the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Thursday, 5 October 2006 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Well fuck off then, we don't want people like you reading it.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 5 October 2006 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

But does it claim to cover "all" music?

It does cover all kinds of popular music. Including hip-hop/R&B/techno/metal, just not to the same extent that more specialized genre magazines too.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to write for the London Review of Music, please.

I promise not to assume knowledge or ask the obvious question.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Thursday, 5 October 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

because it's for old farts, semi-bald, somewhat overweight high school teachers in their late thirties who worship jimi hendrix' ghost and wish for the second coming of grunge.

I appear therefore to be Q's perfect target demographic. Unfortunately, I haven't bought it since 1996.

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

re because it's for old farts, semi-bald, somewhat overweight high school teachers in their late thirties who worship jimi hendrix' ghost and wish for the second coming of grunge.

totally wrong ! have you seen this dreadful magazine this decade ?

Q is now aimed at casual 20somethings as it downshifted demographics as mojo now operates in the 30s/ 40s market. Q is aimed at mainstreamers who listen to virgin / radio 1 etc

q magazine
http://www.emapadvertising.com/interactive/portfolio.asp?ID=12
Audience profile:

18-34 year olds

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 5 October 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

just a quick word about those do's and don'ts…

I loved this mag and bout every issue from 1989 to 2002. I really thought it was funny as a motherfucker, and printed stuff like a story on the narcorrido subset of tejano music, among hundreds of other cool shit. I often thought "man, I'd love to work for an American version of Q."

then Dennis Publishing comes along with an American version, called Blender, run by a Q alum (who incidentally, was editor of Q for almost as short a time as he was for Spin earlier this year). I got a job with Blender about a year after it launched.

the englishman referenced above cited those rules often— these amounted to the correct way to review music, and the fact that American pubs did not adhere to those rules was why American music pubs (and implicitly Americans) were, to use his terminology, "shit."

Of course, those rules were often ignored in his writing and in that of his english cronies, whom he invariably would let get away with bloody ax murder. In retrospect, I don't see that those rules affected the reviews that I read in Q.

As my hatred for this man intensified, I was no longer able to enjoy Q. But I gotta say that I think that for a long time, they've been stuck in Oasis/Blur/ this year's guitar band fronted by a pouty dude k-hole. perhaps its because 1995/Cool Britannia was the last time English people could feel as if they were on the vanguard of culture that the world was intrigued by. You could that Spice Girls were like that, but they, like a lot of subsequent phenoms, are not exactly the kinda stuff that I think Q feels they can fully endorse.

they do get very excited by hip-hop customized for their own culture, cf the Streets, Lady Sov and so on. but I can tell you as someone who has edited copy from a lot of Q contributors, those guys DO NOT GET, or are at least uncomfortable, with American hip-hop. those guys get guitar bands, dance msuic and goofy pop music that is part of their heritage.

is this defensive nativistism? I don't know.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 5 October 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

But why does hip-hop have to be everywhere and dominate everything?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

are you responding to my post, GH? where did i say that it needs to do those things? I don't see how anything along those lines could be inferred in what I wrote. "defensive nativism" refers to the need to emphasize the likes of Razorlight or whatevah…

what I said is that when they try, it seems that english writers (again, this is both on based on raw copy and the finished product) don't seem to be able to adequately address hip-hop. many Americans wouldn't be able to address chanson or gamelan, but there isn't a huge effort to do so anyway.

I'm curious: are you from the UK or US? you express yourself in a way that is very hard for me to place.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 6 October 2006 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pulling up a chair.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 6 October 2006 07:14 (seventeen years ago) link

He's from Norway, and he is a racist troll to whom you should pay no attention.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:16 (seventeen years ago) link

According to Marcello, you must like certain kinds of music (not to mention hate certain kinds of music) or you are a rascist.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

he's right you know.

(uh huh uh huh)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Whereas Geir's only right with a capital R.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

According to Marcello, white people stopped making interesting music around 1980, and if you don't agree with him you are a rascist.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

(An exception here may be white people who are just aping R&B, pretending European music never existed)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link

white people made interesting music ever?

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe that all music should be based on the Horst Wessel Song.

-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), March 18th, 2005.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure, white people have made a lot of interesting music. Black people too, although not too much after hip-hop started dominating. Stevie Wonder, Earth Wind & Fire and Lionel Richie have all made lots of great music with lots of melodic and harmonic qualities.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you think Streicher got a bum deal at Nuremberg, then?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 6 October 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link


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