letz talk abt gucci mane

i'm not even arguing that Big was THE most popular most important rapper of his era or anything, i'm just saying whatever level he was at, Gucci isn't at it.

Actually correction - gucci is def bigger than rtd era big, not as big as lad big, at least in chi

of course he hasn't done anything as big as Life After Death anywhere. i'm giving you an easier slope to climb by focusing on RTD era.

Yeah al I basically think you're entirely wrong! Maybe its bcuz they've been playing his mixtape tracks for going on three yrs now in my city but lemonade is easily as popular as big poppa

david

just replace "Chicago" with "in my brain" and deej starts to make perfect sense

i will give Gucci a lot of credit in that the kind of grassroots success he's had without a lot of media/industry kingmakers helping him along is in some ways more impressive and meaningful than the popularity currently enjoyed by the hollowed out husks that used to be Jay, Kanye, Wayne, etc...but that still doesn't mean he IS more popular/significant/etc. than those guys.

i mean it's totally fair to say Gucci is the biggest non-Canadian non-sucks-compared-to-his-old-records rapper out right now, but you can't just pretend those caveats don't exist and say outright he's the biggest rapper in the world in 2010

i would say eminem is still the most popular rapper

i really want someone to actually make a chupacabra/candelabra rhyme now

i still haven't listened to mr zone 6, every time i cue it up something happens like love king leaks or the big boi album leaks

741,000 in this day and age is UNREAL first week numbers xpost

who sold 741k?

em

Which gucci would have done except for THE METRICS

for what? recovery? ew america

i do think that gucci's peak popularity is still potentially in front of him -- he has a chance here to come out with a huge single as long as he doesn't fuck it up by doing "spotlight pt 2"

anger management tour vets are a loyal bunch

esp with the producers he's working with & the radio momentum he has from "wasted"/"lemonade"/"we be steady mobbin"

I never said he was more popular than kanye??? Maybe try arguing w what I'm actually saying. He is more important to rap as a whole than kanye and I look forward to u disingenuously saying I'm moving the goalposts inresponse.

Also whiney you lame hypocritical faux klosterman hack maybe stick to writing about what u know, like puppy fashion, instead of urban areas u know nothing about??

yeah...it's hard to say how much jailtime or releasing lame songs as singles and great songs as mixtape deep cuts has hurt his profile overall, but he definitely has momentum on his side.

deej stop with the bullshit about whiney shouldn't get to write about rap or certain kinds of rap, it's pointless and dumb. you were the one that had to be nitpicky about his tweet review on this thread and get the bullshit going again.

He is more important to rap as a whole than kanye

this is absolutely wrong too.

i do think that gucci's peak popularity is still potentially in front of him -- he has a chance here to come out with a huge single as long as he doesn't fuck it up by doing "spotlight pt 2"

― hell hath no furry (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:24 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I can see this. The way that t.i.'s high quality kept things getting bigger and bigger and made paper trail a big f deal even if it may not have been king the album that should have been his biggest

(/non american view)

he's certainly the most important rapper in the game right now if you're talking about the art and not importance in terms of popularity or influence -- there are like 3 good MCs making music, and he's the best of them

He is more important to rap as a whole than kanye

i basically don't consider kanye or drake hip hop at all (kanye i used to, drake never was imo)

Al u are being super manipulative with what I'm saying. I've never claimed he's the most popular rapper out, ever!

surely the likes of jeezy are way more important than gucci?

and i never claimed that's what you were saying! xp

And yes I think he's more important to rap than kanye.

Al and whiney are on some jblount decietful argument style itt

five most important rappers, july 30, 2010

1 - big boi
2 - royce the 5-9
3 - yelawolf
4 - raekwon
5 - sean price

it depends on how you define importance -- i think you could make an argument that jeezy is more vital to rap as a genre right now because he's doing rap on a bigger scale than gucci, but he's not making better music (altho it's close)

You implied it in the same post where you conflated 'popular' and 'significant'

yeah sorry i have gotten muddled at times about whether we're talking popularity or significance and what the difference is between them

either way you can disregard anything else i've thrown out there and just go back to the core argument that Gucci now is analogous to Biggie then, which i just think is totally wrong.

Not sure anyone relates to Biggie in the current game...

t.i. or jeezy maybe.

well, stylistically, i think gucci is closest, and i've used the comparison a few times before, but i'm not exactly sure if i'd go all the way to where deej is going

Jeezy isn't even close to big creatively. T.I. has a similar important career but there are pretty much no other parallels. Gucci is on big's level, after rtd before lad which isn't really cheating because you're comparing a guy in the middle of his career w a dead one. If u would rather, were at jay z vol 3 with gucci, and in five years a bunch of dorks will be praising his genius for all the wrong reasons

in five years a bunch of dorks will be praising his genius for all the wrong reasons

you've got my word on it

Jay-Z Vol 3 is a guy coming off of a 4x platinum album and having a hit on the scale of "Big Pimpin'." there are no download statistics or regional radio spins you can wave around for Gucci that are comparable to that.

also how people MIGHT feel about him in 5 years doesn't really have any bearing on how people actually feel about him right now.

were at jay z vol 3 with gucci

this makes a lot more sense than biggie

Gucci's got the most important rhyme style out, which us why Ludacris and Bun B are tripping over themselves to copy "lambo/Rambo/Evan Dando" rhyme schemes instead of "...GROCERY BAG" drakeisms

unlike jay-z and biggie (then), i'm not convinced gucci means much at all, persona-wise, to a non-rap audience

if gucci released 'the state of radric davis' in 1997 i think it would've gone platinum at a minimum

and jay's chart numbers are comparable to gucci's up until "hard knock life" at least

these arguments are hard because of the timeframe

i think if "wasted" and "lemonade" get released b/w 2002 and 2005 they both hit at least the top 20 on the hot 100 and maybe "lemonade" scrapes the top 10

gucci now on a jay scale is totes vol 1 jay. i.e. mass of mixtapes = reasonable doubt (brand building, awesome, dont necc. translate into sales), vol 1 = state v. radric davis (kinda dope but w/ shitty singles and not knowing how to really market dude letting a lot of fans down and not getting it out to the scale he should be at.)

yeah...Gucci imo is really at Vol. 1/Streets Is Watching level Jay, a lot of love and a lot of people listening, but still waiting on a big event/record to really cement that.

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it's not out of the question that gucci's "big pimpin" is coming this year (altho "lemonade" should've been it)

i think something hurting someone like gucci right now is that there's no producer right now working at the level of a late 90s/early 2000s timbo, or a 'blueprint'-era kanye, or early 2000s neptunes

there's no producer really in his utmost prime right now for someone like gucci to link up with and make a world beating classic that could define both of their careers (a la "h to the izzo" or "big pimpin" which doesn't define jay's career [the former] or timbo's [the latter] but they're both big hits for both rapper and producer)

like, bangladesh and polow and swizz are all great producers who can do pop music with street rappers, but there's no producer right now who is on the level of jay getting to work with tim

not to use that as a crutch in the "gucci as jay" analogy or w/e (like, "jay got lucky!" or w/e) but i think it's something important to note, cuz i think gucci is a great pop writer