CHRIS BROWN

also as some dude pointed out, his complete failure to comport himself with any sort of dignity, let alone express remotely adequate contrition, since the incident doesn't exactly help his cause

mean, no one gets a freebie when it comes to battering the hell out of someone, but painting a scarlet letter on the guy and acting like there's no redemption for anyone who fucks up or room for anyone who's screwed up but has tried to make amends isn't going to help.

i think tons of people (incl ppl posting itt) were willing and in some cases (probably mine, since i liked him a lot as an artist) eager to NOT paint him with a scarlet letter for doing what he did, but all of his actions from the incident on have been completely petulant, and as ship said, pretty much annoyed at the fact that he had to address the situation publicly and that some people (radio programmers, journalists, fans) were now looking at him in a different light because of what he did

my understanding is that he grew up with a violent father and that this was the first recorded instance of him hitting anyone, let alone hitting a woman

I agree that he can and should be able to get past this; part of doing that is, for example, not being pissy about people being wary of his records in the immediate aftermath and not turning tributes to Michael Jackson into pontification platforms about himself

And you know, I'm all for redemption and all, but dude fucked up royally and barely had any repercussions so far.

Like he basically beat up a woman and got MORE famous: a Vibe cover story, top billing on TV Award Shows, spending the weekend jet-skiing with Diddy. No one in the industry even took a stand against him but Jay-Z.

Dude hasn't suffered, afaik. Give dude a 10-year radio blackout and then maybe I'll listen to his dipshit crocodile tears.

No one in the industry even took a stand against him but Jay-Z

really? I didn't hear about this - good on ya Jay

you're kind of right, but 'graffiti' is a flop in the context of his career

yeah shakey, last year at the BET awards there was a michael jackson tribute, but jay-z threatened to not perform at the awards if chris brown was included in the tribute

or so it was said

I agree that he can and should be able to get past this; part of doing that is, for example, not being pissy about people being wary of his records in the immediate aftermath and not turning tributes to Michael Jackson into pontification platforms about himself

I agree, I think it is his attitude towards the incident which has put people off as much as the incident itself -- he expected saying sorry to make everything okay, and has acted angry and butthurt ever since when his album didn't do as well as he expected it to. No one is owed record sales.

xpost A commercial flop, yes, but artists don't make any money on record sales anyway anymore

Also Jay-Z apparently said, “Chris is a walking dead man.”

his career will likely be nonexistent w/ in 3-5 years, pre-beating was on track to have an usher-like career

his career will likely be nonexistent w/ in 3-5 years

this is true of most r&b/pop stars tbf

right, but it's only true for CB because of the beating

i don't think Chris was ever really gonna be at Usher level, at least not longevity-wise

i mean he had a streak of very successful singles, but he was never going to have the highest selling album of the year like Confessions and totally be king of the hill.

Even though I hated half his songs it's pretty much undeniable that dude was being groomed for supermegastardom; he'd had a successful introduction into the world of black cinema and sold a shit-ton of records and was dating the woman everyone wanted to bone. Basically about the only thing he could have done to fuck everything up was... beat the shit out of her and then wonder why wearing a gaudy necklace that said "OOPS!" in cartoon font pissed people off. Which he did.

xp yeah maybe not, but it's wrong to say that his career hasn't suffered at all

can we talk about Usher's deal with Satan, btw? like why the hell does everyone love "OMG" THAT much?

people like "OMG" THAT much cuz it's indistinguishable from BEP

and it's better than any of those singles except for "boom boom pow"

okay crazypants, it is NOT better than any of the BEP singles; it's about on par with the interminable filler on the second half of the album (I don't even remember any of those songs aside from "Ring-A-Ling")

i like it better than "i'mma be", "meet me halfway" (sublime chorus tho) & "rock your body"

and "i gotta feeling" but i was never along w/ the consensus on that one so i'll let it ride

yeah the choice of song material seems totally self-serving and narcissistic, kinda self-defeating no matter how genuine his breakdown is. it's both genuine and horribly cynical at the same time...

Hold up -- aren't all you guys assuming that Chris Brown himself chose "Man in the Mirror" for the tribute? I'd assume the decision would be more than likely made by a Sony/Jive head honcho, or some BET executive/publicist/team, looking to turn this into an "OMG" zeitgeist talking point moment. I'm not sure that Chris would've had a say in what he performed; dude was more than likely handed a script and told to learn the choreography and roll with it.

yeah I dunno I'm assuming he at least had some input...? who knows

He could have said "me singing 'Smooth Criminal' and 'Man in the Mirror' back to back might not be a good idea" at some point and backed out of the whole thing.

I'm not sure that Chris would've had a say in what he performed; dude was more than likely handed a script and told to learn the choreography and roll with it.

doubtful, you don't just tell someone "btw learn all the moves to three iconic michael jackson routines of our choosing".

yeah pulling the "he's a pop star, he's probably just following orders" thing is pointless. regardless of whose idea it was to perform "Man In The Mirror," he was aware of the subtext of it all well before he stepped onstage and shed a tear.

well tbf I think a large reason why this is still a big problem is because he is completely blind to the subtext of it all

how is that even possible...?

shakey, may we remind you

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/14/alg_chris-brown.jpg

http://www.cartoondollemporium.com/dollmakers/dollz258/dollz1.gif

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http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p191/chosen1234/jay-z-smacks-lady.gif

wat

footage from 1999 that was first widely circulated as a gif in like 2005 -- seriously guys READ YOUR BLOGS

ive known abt that for ages -- it was just sorta lol to me ppl giving jay-z dap for his positive attitudes towards women. i mean, u know, im glad he did what he did in that particular circumstance but excuse me for being cynical about dude knowing who currently butters his bread

yeah and it circulated on youtube on the same HOW DARE HE HATE ON CHRIS BROWN LOOK AT THIS WOMAN HE CLEARLY GAVE A COMPLETELY SIMILAR BEATING TO tip over a year ago

I dun think the fact that he's playing a thug in an upcoming movie is gonna do him favors, regardless of the fact that he was shooting it before the rihanna incident.

yeah and it circulated on youtube on the same HOW DARE HE HATE ON CHRIS BROWN LOOK AT THIS WOMAN HE CLEARLY GAVE A COMPLETELY SIMILAR BEATING TO tip over a year ago

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and yet somehow this 'common knowledge' that isnt at all what i was suggesting slipped by me!! how could i have missed related youtubes

man fuck chris brown and his whole campaign for reacceptance

so I know everyone hates him now and stuff but "Deuces" is kind of a huge hit, so we should probably talk about it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iJqlhg6TdU

I think it's great song honestly, could actually be my favorite single of his ever. Would be even better without Tyga & Kevin McCall... and I like "No Bullshit" from that mixtape as well. Sticking to the core R&B format is really the only way he'll make a "comeback," Grafitti was garbage (besides "Sing Like Me,"), "Deuces" is exactly what he should be doing(though I guess in the context of him and Rihanna's relationship, the song is kind of gross and those that view everything he does through that lens will continue to view him as an asshole but that's neither here nor there).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSfEDDuZfk

again I was never a big fan of his but his R&B joints like this, "sing like me," "take you down," were always his strong suit to me.

hate to just repost what i tweeted but:

can't deal with Chris Brown having an uptempo breakup song - "guess me beating your face in was a dealbreaker, lol time to chuck the deuce!"

yeah I figure that's the reaction a lot of you guys will have to it, which is understandable I guess

beat is pretty hot

how long ago did chris drop "deuces"

hey there

i mean was "deuces" a hard launch for brown or did it just leak?

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