Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

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What about G*****a B*b?

Be careful what you say there.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 November 2002 07:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought about censoring it, but I don't know, there is something lovable about those stubborn old school trolls, especially compared to the irony accusing indie kids of nu.

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 18 November 2002 07:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I said back in the ama-days, and I'll say it now. My problem with Mr. Hongro wasn't so much the music he championed -- except for useless shit like Ocean Colour Scene and Gene. It was his fetishization of a particular sound, and reification of his own tastes as some sort of "standard" of what all good music "should be" that made him annoying. It's an intellectual habit, a conceit that could just as easily be seen in, say, those who love only hip-hop, death metal, free jazz, whatever genre you like. But Mr. Hongro typified that type of thinking in excelsis.

On the other hand, Geir was a stand-up guy -- some of the things said to and about him were pretty brutal (including accusations of fascism and racism), yet he stood his ground and defended himself against such charges (as well he should). So for that trait alone, I guess I'd say classic.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 18 November 2002 08:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember this guy! classic in every way. I wonder where he is now.

Still a regular at no.sport.fotball, FWIW.

― OleM (OleM), Monday, 18 November 2002 09:07 (twenty-three years ago)

My favorite is still Persinthia Lawdro and Heather the Garbage fan. Geir will always be second in my heart to them.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 November 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

altho G. Bob did used to ask me on a daily basis in email what color underwear I was wearing, which was charming in its own special way.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 November 2002 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I often wonder what Persi's doing now. ML, too. (I suppose I could *email* them, but that would be a radical step to take.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 November 2002 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

ML's doing fine, based on the last time I talked to him earlier this year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 November 2002 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Persi's on slsk a bit. I chatted to him a while ago but I changed my nick and stopped chatting on there a few months ago in horror at what an arse I could become when provoked into an argument so I haven't spoken to anyone on there for a while.

(Hello. I was lurker scum. Sorry. Not smart or articulate or knowledgeable enough, considering how many fine writers there were there or indeed are on here. No, I don't know why I post here, either...)

― Rebecca (reb), Monday, 18 November 2002 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir can currently be found ruffling feathers whenever he posts on the Audities mailing list

― mms (mms), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 12:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Did "Lulu" = Ally?

― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Yup.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:19 (twenty-three years ago)

And I thought she was like 28 or something.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

HEY NO TELLING SECRETS NED.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 02:57 (twenty-three years ago)

D'oh! But I thought it was public knowledge.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, maybe.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

That was so shocking, like an episode of Melrose Place, when I found out Lulu's real name and age.

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:04 (twenty-three years ago)

It was like how on Scooby Doo they rip off the bad guy's mask and it's really like Old Mr. Jenkens or whatever.

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan P of A.M.A.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeesh, don't say that.

I love how everyone on ama thought I was an ill-informed little ditz, and now many years on everyone on ilm thinks I'm an ill-informed little ditz. Now that's progress...

― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan P of A.M.A.

Ally, Don't SAY that! Jeez!

I love how everyone on ama thought I was an ill-informed little ditz, and now many years on everyone on ilm thinks I'm an ill-informed little ditz.

WHAT?!?! WHO? I'll kick their ass, I will.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:20 (twenty-three years ago)

(insert usual comment that Nicole astoundingly underrates herself here) Mike is absolutely right, of course.

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan Padgett of A.M.A.

What Nicole and Mike said. Dammit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

No one thinks you are a ditz! Who are these people? What the hell?

Dude, you all can admit it. Let's face the facts: underage, grating shouty persona, lived in the middle of nowhere, gradual increase in ridiculousness-to-get-a-response...you all know it's true. It gives hope for Ethan: one day he too can turn into a glamourous NYC girl.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I admit, I laugh with this description. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Melody + complexity = the grebtest music evah

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Hongro

versus

Chongo

― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

ts: arreosmith vs "snorky" the elephant

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 23:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Danger Island fucking rocked, by the way. These damn kids with their Britney and Justin! :)

― Joe (Joe), Friday, 22 November 2002 23:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Music is supposed to sound pretty and nice and make you feel good.
If you feel bad you don't need annoying music to make you feel
even worse.

Music should ALWAYS be supposed to make you feel good, good and
only good. I don't want ANYTHING, music or any other stuff, to
make me feel bad.

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 24 November 2002 08:30 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

thread revive! just like nice, melodic pop is reviving!! hee

― Tad (llamasfur), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 03:25 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

i could not resist..dud

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's eerily classic how Geir is exactly - exactly - the same as he was in 1998 when I last read one of his posts.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, some tastes and approaches change and some don't. You've noticed a lot of changes in your own approach to listening, so you're reading things through your own lens; I haven't necessarily with me, so I'm not surprised at general consistency over time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I like how his name is actually "Oh! Grin Ogre" or "Rehonor Gig" spelled sideways.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

No, it's more than that - I wasn't expecting his tastes to have changed at all - I suppose it's just how he never gets tired of making the exact same points and having the exact same arguments. I'm sure lots of the conversations on ILM today are word-for-word duplications of old a.m.a. ones.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, DB DID call him the GeirBot for a reason.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Heh also I have slipped right back into the old a.m.a. habit of talking about him as if he wasn't here. Hi Geir!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, hello!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir Hongro = Chris "Spinoza R. Prozak" Blanc of AMA?

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Monday, 3 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

classic

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir is a werewolf

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir Hongro = Chris "Spinoza R. Prozak" Blanc

Definitely not, I've collaborated with the latter on a few occasions and he's quite a reasonable and intelligent fellow (though one who enjoyed starting flamewars on rec.music.christian a bit too much).

I'm actually wondering if Geir Hongro = Jarl Sigurd, the self-proclaimed MIDI genius/starry eyed troll of rec.music.makers.guitar, rec.music.makers.synth, rec.audio.pro and just about every other music newsgroup.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

who is he?

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

wake up jel, google to find his homepage.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

don't be mean to jel, assmonkey

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 3 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

>>Definitely not, I've collaborated with the latter on a few occasions and he's quite a reasonable and intelligent fellow (though one who enjoyed starting flamewars on rec.music.christian a bit too much).<<

I have my own personal issues with the way Blanc does his thing. Its clear he's been hitting the bowl waaaaaaaay too often. Plus, he's basically been reiterating for the last few years now that "I am a genius, I am right" and then follows it up with these huge dissertations that have a lot of big words and ultimately don't mean much. And the fact that he's gone into "shock" mode (like sending hate mail to Chuck's mom after his death) doesn't earn him points either. Its just a comparison (Blanc on, say, alt.music.slayer or alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death = Geir at alt.music.alternative).

In retrospect having gone and looked at Geir's posts, however, he's not nearly as inflammitory as Blanc occasionally is.

>>I'm actually wondering if Geir Hongro = Jarl Sigurd, the self-proclaimed MIDI genius/starry eyed troll of rec.music.makers.guitar, rec.music.makers.synth, rec.audio.pro and just about every other music newsgroup<<

Hmmmm. Could be. God knows he's everywhere. I'm surprised the alt.2600 boys haven't scrounged up his social security number and all that yet, frankly (though they may have while I wasn't looking).

And we really should turn this into a thread about the "all time great" USENET kooks. =)

-
Alan

― Alan Conceicao, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Apparently, Blanc isn't the only one whose hitting the bowl a bit too much.
Geir Hongro just asserted that Eminem is the most "melodic" rapper.
Ick and double ick.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Is his sole purpose for existence to irritate ILMers? He seems to say things just to contradict the general consensus. Therefore on the mark s scale he rates a classic.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Is his sole purpose for existence to irritate ILMers?
Slightly offtopic: Oddly enough, Calum Robert came back, and he was (gasp) polite and relatively reasonable. I guess there can be only one Ubertroll at a time, then, right?
At least until Alison Huston comes back...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, this is like the ILM high school reunion or something. I'd say the guy (whoever he is) is classic because of his persistence. From the looks of it, I'd guess this guy has been waging war against rhythm for years now.

― original bgm, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:25 (twenty-three years ago)

His singles list was fantastic, he's a bit of a fundie though. Classic though fer sure. If the 'war against rhythm' was remotely being won (despite any alarmism from the Source) I might feel differently.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 01:28 (twenty-three years ago)

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with seriousface on, its really only the crypto-racist stuff that bothers me.

― tomofthenest, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

"those '70s disaster movies without that one contrary character who antagonizes everybody and always contradicts the self-styled leader ("I'm not going that way - I'm going THIS way! Who's with me?") and ultimately seals his own fate"

in the movie - the character doesnt have a choice but to stay with the group, while here - he is free to leave, yet doesn't.
whats the interest?

― Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:24 (sixteen years ago)

OTM. He's fine otherwise. (xp)

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:24 (sixteen years ago)

... well, he's not too bad, can be OK

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

yeah sorry he's on some dickbrain shit at best and a crypto-racist at worst. dud.

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

"hi i'm geir hongro, i'm going to join a music discussion website and re-iterate my crypto-racey music dogma at everybody for nine years and not move a jot in my own way of thinking, or engage meaningfully with anyone." fuck off.

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

I don't see where the crypto-racist stuff is. He doesn't dislike melodic music that happens to be made by black people, so it is clearly solely to do with aesthetic taste, no?

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:28 (sixteen years ago)

also, he got his own classic or dud thread - respect!

― Zeno, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:29 (sixteen years ago)

I don't see where the crypto-racist stuff is. He doesn't dislike melodic music that happens to be made by black people, so it is clearly solely to do with aesthetic taste, no?

How long have you been here?

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:30 (sixteen years ago)

Ha. The Rhythm Nation video is Geir's nightmare dystopia: 1984, only with funky black people in charge and anyone who likes advanced chord changes is imprisoned for thoughtcrime.

^^^^

― lihaperäpukamat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:33 (sixteen years ago)

Surely if Geir was actually as crypto-racist as some posts seem to suggest he would have been Suggest Banned by now?

I could do with less polls though

― I am using your worlds, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:35 (sixteen years ago)

Not everyone believes in Suggest Banning. I certainly don't.

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:37 (sixteen years ago)

And Suggest Banning hasn't always existed!

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:39 (sixteen years ago)

I'd concede there's occasionally a somewhat demonic fervour when he's engaged in his grand theorising about music, but this never really spills over into any substantive racism.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:40 (sixteen years ago)

shall we go into his "african cultures don't have a word to differentiate between music and dance, ergo they must be lower lifeforms than mozart" argument again?

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (sixteen years ago)

Oh really? Not even his comments about sub-Saharan Africans having no word for or concept of music, only of "dancing"? That isn't crypto-racist, it's racist. And, of course, there's no retraction or apologia forthcoming if anyone complains about it because, frankly, that is what he believes - except he doesn't even "believe" it, IT IS TRUE.

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (sixteen years ago)

xpost!

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (sixteen years ago)

lollll

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:41 (sixteen years ago)

Well it's the one that pushed me over the edge

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:42 (sixteen years ago)

I'd need chapter and verse quotation.

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:45 (sixteen years ago)

I was prepared to accept him as a hapless weirdo hung up on melodic music in the Western tradition, to the exclusion of all else, until that

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:46 (sixteen years ago)

i'd need a sedative after looking through all those ridiculous theories to find the right quote! (xp)

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:46 (sixteen years ago)

LOL

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:50 (sixteen years ago)

So melodic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozu8KGFH-CU

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:50 (sixteen years ago)

Uggggggggggghhhhhh God. Give it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53gY7BjNkpc

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:53 (sixteen years ago)

I can't find the original quote but here is some nasty person (I think it was me) bullying poor little Geir in to one of his usual considered responses:

... plus they didd't actually have a word for music in Africa until the white man showed up, eh Geir?

Which was rather obvious because they didn't have music, just dancing. Note that this only goes for a limited Geographic part of Africa. Northern Africa certainly had music, and they also had a word for it.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:39 (4 years ago) Bookmark

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:54 (sixteen years ago)

Ha ha, I found one I hadn't seen before!

West Africans used to know dancing but not music. They were introduced to music by the imperialists. The sounds they were making while dancing was just a part of the dance, and had nothing to do with music really.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:21 (1 year ago) Bookmark

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:56 (sixteen years ago)

Complex music may only be made by an elite of people with considerably bigger musical talent than most people.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:49 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(And such people will of course exist amongst Africans too, they need to be introduced to the actual craft at first though)

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:49 (1 year ago) Bookmark

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:57 (sixteen years ago)

i've got a fuckin word for him

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:58 (sixteen years ago)

... ad nauseum. Which when put together with his apparently harmless trumpeting of the superiority of Western Music, begins to seem a tiny bit sinister

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 13:59 (sixteen years ago)

makes me want to put 'acid trax' on a loop and dance around for hours

― lad: "et tu, lady?" (haitch), Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:03 (sixteen years ago)

But of course, he states as political views as being broadly furry left-liberal, doesn't he?

― Freedom, Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:04 (sixteen years ago)

He doesn't have any political views that I can make out, I don't really care about that anyway

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:08 (sixteen years ago)

Okay enough of this. You want to call him out on this, try it on a thread when he's actually around.

― Moderator, Thursday, 22 October 2009 14:12 (sixteen years ago)

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