― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 18 October 2002 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mt, Friday, 18 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
m.
― msp, Friday, 18 October 2002 16:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Friday, 18 October 2002 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 18 October 2002 17:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David Allen, Friday, 18 October 2002 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 October 2002 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 18 October 2002 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 October 2002 21:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ashley Andel, Saturday, 19 October 2002 00:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Saturday, 19 October 2002 16:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jones (actual), Saturday, 19 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
They were chose by Malcolm McLaren for what they looked like.
Then, they weren't about the music, they were about the confrontation.
― David Allen, Saturday, 19 October 2002 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 19 October 2002 18:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― threemetalinsects (threemetalinsects), Sunday, 20 October 2002 00:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
Why, though?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 October 2002 00:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
i'm with msp.
― di smith (lucylurex), Sunday, 20 October 2002 00:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― threemetalinsects (threemetalinsects), Sunday, 20 October 2002 04:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Sunday, 20 October 2002 06:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 20 October 2002 06:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 20 October 2002 08:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ashley Andel, Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ashley Andel, Sunday, 20 October 2002 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 20 October 2002 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― threemetalinsects (threemetalinsects), Sunday, 20 October 2002 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 20 October 2002 23:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 20 October 2002 23:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 20 October 2002 23:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 20 October 2002 23:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
This guy says yes!
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/getback/144976/hot-topic-punks-in-a-fake-punk-world/
― xhuxk, Monday, 5 October 2009 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
i've been reading "please kill me" lately and thinking that I can't really imagine this sort of thing happening again. obviously post-60's misery had a lot to do with it. and since I can't imagine anyone being as naive as they were in the 60's again, I don't see a reaction, a legitimate, real reaction, to culture like this happening one more time. but i'll probably be proven wrong.
― akm, Monday, 5 October 2009 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link
when the next one comes, we won't even hear it approaching till its exploding around us. like a V2 rocket.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Now that lots of old fanzines are getting scanned in and posted to blogs, I wish I had the time to make a compendium of "punk is dead" essays from the last 30 years. The perfect topic for the last page of the fifth issue of your 'zine, one issue before you give up, and three months before you get listed in Factsheet Five. Last page of issue four is complaining about skinheads.
― bendy, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
OTM. And I'm not dead. Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
― akm, Monday, October 5, 2009 4:18 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in "enter naomi: sst and all that" by joe carducci he says something like "punk was really just the nihilistic phase of hippie" which i always kinda liked
― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
That's a great line, but so much of the hippy stuff was pretty nihilistic even really early on - punk just came up after the hippies had kids and got all hair-shirted about their nihilism.
― Brio, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Stewart Home reckons that the hardcore remnants of the 60's underground were a key element in London punk: Lemmy, Mick Farren, CR@SS, Charlie Harper, Captain Sensible and of course Maclaren, Westwood and Rhodes.
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
"The perfect topic for the last page of the fifth issue of your 'zine, one issue before you give up, and three months before you get listed in Factsheet Five. Last page of issue four is complaining about skinheads."
This zine could be your life.
― Giorgio Marauder (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
― Brio, Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm sort of selling the whole line of thinking short...it's way better in the book which is required reading about the idea of Punk, at least the L.A. branch IMO...
punks were too old to be hippie's kids though, punk is already formed while hippie is still going (as you point out)
― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link
greg ginn saw the grateful dead like 80 times or something, i don't know what that means, but it probably means something.
― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah there was a really interesting/flawed book about all the links between the post-hippie UK traveller scene and the Crass punk scene, it came out around 1997 and was called Senseless Acts Of Beauty I think?
punk's still alive here in the Pacific NW. I work at my new job with a 23 year old prep cook who is a punk kid from Montana. he once spent $250 on an original pressing Wilson Pickett record, dunno if that's punk or not. he thinks Against Me sold out and he spent all last weekend skating. he just discovered X and is really into them.
I do see some serious dilution happening, even the hardcore fringe is diffusing into the subculture in general.
for further reference:
are there still punks?
― sleeve, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Sort of off the subject, but I'm rereading Dr. Adder, a protopunk sci-fi novel written in 1972 by PK Dick protege KW Jeter. Wasn't published until '86. Weirdest thing about it is the "1972" part. Futurist hippie nihilism reads EXACTLY like 70s punk rock. Except without the actual punk rock...
― That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
post excerpt please!
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe I will transcribe some later. But not now, no.
― That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Situationist imagery and thinking runs all through UK punk, but you find it in UK hippy rags like International Times - which, like the 60's underground press round the world, are actually really confrontational, in a way that doesn't fit at all with the received image of "hippies".
― Soukesian, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, the first wave of punks were too old to all literally the children of hippies - though Sid Vicious and Joey Ramone both had kind of proto-hippie moms, right? A drug fiend and a bohemian, respectively.
― Brio, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link
And if you think of punk of something that was going on prior to the late 70s, you find a bunch of folks who basically were just hippies playing what amounts to (proto) punk rock. Laughner and Rocket from the Tombs/Pere Ubu, Electric Eels, Debris, Iggy & the Stooges, Helios Creed, side 2 of Neu! 75, etc.
― That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oIBqaixxaEs/Sg3N-3VpxqI/AAAAAAAABbs/4ZsYLp-mzqI/s400/f.jpg
― Brio, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
This ties up the the connections very neatly - the UK Underground paper of record International Times published a "Punk Is Dead" cover in . . February 1977!
View it at their archive here (slow download)
http://www.internationaltimes.it/page.php?i=IT_1977-02-01_G-IT-Volume-Q_Iss-6_001
― Soukesian, Thursday, 8 October 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
imagine getting fired by some cunt in a clown costume
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
punke
― imago, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:40 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8h4W6IBGc
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
"Glad to see you go go go go goodbye/ Glad to see you go go go go goodbye"
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
Struggling to think of a single figure from the punk era who wouldn't have been an HR nightmare. Strummer maybe.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:43 (five years ago) link
broke: punkwoke: steampunkbespoke: hrpunk
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
(xp) Glen Matlock obv.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
skrewdriver were good at following orders iirc
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:45 (five years ago) link
pogo in the boardroom!
(but only when your stocks go up)
― mark s, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link
Line Manager Sensible
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link
http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bad-Brains-1979-.jpg
true punk HR
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link
"We're moving the HR Department, the general opinion among the management team is that the ground floor should be used for more front facing departments and the 1st floor for finance and upper management, do you or your team have any objections?"
"I Don't Wanna Go Down to the Basement"
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
how perry como can revitalize human resources.
― how's life, Thursday, 11 October 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
Strummer would go AWOL to Europe for weeks to hide from his boss, but at least he never stuck up for his subordinates when they were being bullied incessantly in the workplace
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Thursday, 11 October 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
that is a hilarious forbes article
― niels, Friday, 12 October 2018 09:01 (five years ago) link
old punker fite - https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/03/johnny-rotten-and-marky-ramone-fight/
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Friday, 8 March 2019 04:28 (five years ago) link
Yes
― nathom, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:20 (five years ago) link
Legit beef or staged?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:41 (five years ago) link
what a surprise I'm on Team Everybody but John fucking Lydon
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 8 March 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link
I don't think it was staged, Marky looked genuinely mad
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:09 (five years ago) link
Assume Lydon just likes to insult people, especially turning it on whilst in Johnny Rotten character and, much like a Don Rickles audience, you’re expected to play along.
― Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
Johnny Rotten really looks like a potato.
― ☮ (peace, man), Friday, 8 March 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link
Eh...I guess you would not expect any different a result. One thing I always got that was Lydon blamed the nyc punk rock junkies for hooking Sid bad onto smack, so it was not unexpected for him to be hostile to an old nyc punk. Marky also threw some shade towards in the MC5 in that exchange too.
― earlnash, Saturday, 9 March 2019 10:17 (five years ago) link
Marky obv. from the apolitical it's only rock 'n' roll school but Lydon is talking garbage, of course.
― The Vangelis of Dating (Tom D.), Saturday, 9 March 2019 10:20 (five years ago) link
Before the PiL show last year there was a $50 meet n greet, I assume it was just a few minutes of personalized abuse from Lydon.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 9 March 2019 11:01 (five years ago) link
Marky is an oaf, Lydon is a clown
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Saturday, 9 March 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link
And oh I don’t lol why
― Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 March 2019 19:47 (five years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 9 March 2019 23:31 (five years ago) link
TBH kinda was hoping Marky would get up and deck Rotten that whole time
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 March 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
He doesn't want to risk his wig falling off
― kurt schwitterz, Sunday, 10 March 2019 00:04 (five years ago) link
And oh I don’t lol why― curmudgeon
― curmudgeon
― Theorbo Goes Wild (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 March 2019 00:31 (five years ago) link
Punk's not dead, I just find it difficult to care about it in 2019.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 10 March 2019 07:46 (five years ago) link
really sad to watch them argue about the things that happened between 1976-1981
john lydon is a fucking idiot these days and has been a has been for a very long time, but he can never erase the importance of his old bands.
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 10 March 2019 07:53 (five years ago) link
I don't know, John always seems to be playing a character in public. I've heard tell that he's much more approachable in person. God help you if you're a clueless member of the press, though.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 10 March 2019 15:35 (five years ago) link