New Autechre album - April 2005

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No no, the holy trinity of er IDM = weird noises, fucked up beats, beuatiful melodies. Gotta have 'em all! If you want the flat-out melodic/ambient thing then I gues Fennesz et al are doing that pretty well.

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Then again maybe another ambient-esque ae album would be fantastic; but I'd still like it to to be a step forward, rather then going back to Amber (which admittedly is highly unlikely).

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I have no idea what to expect from this album. On "Draft 7:30" -- for the first time in their career -- it seemed like they were repeating themselves.

If they're going to recycle their old work, I'd prefer a return to the raw beats and repetition of "Chiastic Slide". But who knows what they've got up their sleeve.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Barry OTM. More late-90s ae.

Amber = overrated
Incunabula = underrated.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree, more melody. Let's start a petition.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

As usual, Leee, I think you've got the albums right but the opinions are backwards :)

Continuing:

Tri Repetae -- overrated
Chiastic Slide -- ridiculously underrated
LP5 -- overrated
Confield -- underrated

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, "Incunabula" is rated just right. "Amber" is definitely underrated.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

yay! a tour!!!!

it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Peel Sessions 2 - so underrated it's not even rated at all

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I the only person to much prefer Draft7.30 to Confield? It seemed a lot more listenable whereas Confield just gave me a thumping headache.
LP5 is far and above my favourite - possibly one of my favourite albums of all time.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

peel sesh 2 is great!!

so is the cover artwork!!

i am so excited that they are touring!!

it's tricky (disco stu), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah I'm with Ray on Draft - sparse and boring. LP5 and Confield share top honours with me. And can I add to the love for Peel Sesh 2 (except for 19 Headaches) (and the Microphone Fiend version of Blifil stomps over the original).

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm all for giving props to Peel Sessions 2 as long as we're clear about:

Peel Sessions 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peel Sessions 2

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's start a petition

Yea. Anyone here who speaks autechrian fluently? You know just write a little note with "more ambient please" and then i'll gladly sign it *Omaer Voltec>

Sigh. I'm always waiting for LP5 to go midprice, and somehow it's always the one that doesn't. Baestards.

Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved Draft 7.30, thought it sounded fantastic, and if you don't hear the melodies you're not listening.

LP5 still my favorite album but my favorite single is probably Grantz Graf.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yea. Anyone here who speaks autechrian fluently? You know just write a little note with "more ambient please" and then i'll gladly sign it *Omaer Voltec>

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dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Sigh. I'm always waiting for LP5 to go midprice, and somehow it's always the one that doesn't. Baestards.

Record prices can be good indicators of worth sometimes. I love LP5, find Tri Repetae interesting but boring and haven't got much further in my investigations so far.

latetotheparty (latetotheparty), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

The melodies are there, just not anything special (particularly in comparison to their other, better work).

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I put Tri Repetae in this weekend after not listening to it for five years and I truly enjoyed it. Makes we want to try all the difficult stuff again, which I've never enjoyed or "got".

Jinx, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Tri Repetae took a long time for me to get in to. I see it as their most ambient album. It does have some amazing moments but it's largely a transition from the old style to the mid style.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

If Autechre ever transitioned from one style to another, it was after "Incunabula". For instance, compare Autechre's work when the first Artificial Intelligence comp was released to their work when the second was released. They went from fitting in nicely with Black Dog, B12, etc. to sounding utterly alien to anything else on the label.

Their mid-90's work was more fractured than transitional, as they leaped from style to style literally every six months -- From the lush "Amber" to the harsh "Anvil Vapre" to the hip-hop and electro-laden "Tri Repetae" to the ambient "Garbage", etc.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

We agree on the Peelies, Barry! (Except that PS2 bores.)

Back when Warp's msg board was up, Chiastic seemed the overwhelming favorite, and, I think, on a.m.autechre as well.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

LP5 has that one track that sounds like samples of an aluminum can tab being flicked. I think that was their peak album in a way.

eman (eman), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Chiastic Slide has held up beautifully; I listened to it just the other day. A perfect record, just so well paced and well designed.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

We agree on the Peelies, Barry! (Except that PS2 bores.)

I'm not too big on PS2 either.

I was under the impression that "Tri Repetae" has been considered their best for years. If opinions are shifting toward "Chiastic Slide" then I couldn't be happier.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd actually love to see them keep the direction they took on that split with the hafler trio.

p.s. fuck all you 'more melody' whiners.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

chiastic slide is their best with confield coming in a very, very close second imo

t0dd swiss, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

ep7 is underrated on this thread. ep7 > chiastic slide

rssgnl, Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope it's all like 4x4 house shit!

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

or even better, trance.

bass braille (....), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm happy to see all the Confield > Draft 7.30 opinions.

Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Confield and Draft 7.30 are two different pies altogether. Can't be compared IMO. That said, I can more easily chill out listening to Draft - Confield requires more of my undivided attention.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I just never really enjoyed listening to Draft. Confield is abstract, sure, but it always sucked me in.

I agree with the Chiastic lovers, it's amazing. Cichli is genius.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Where was all this "Chiastic Slide" love during the 90's poll?

(I was thinking about nominating it, but other Ae albums were already nominated. There were so many props for "Tri Repetae" and "LP5" floating around, and I think I may have been the only one to comment about the "Chiastic Slide" injustice on those threads.)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, I just checked that thread and "Chiastic Slide" was never mentioned except in a backhanded way by me, when I chewed out the general populace for favouring Boards of Canada >>>>> Ae, Aphex, and everything else on Warp. But TriRep made the top 100 and LP5 nearly did, and I wasn't shocked about that because that was in line with what I believe is the general opinion about their best records.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:17 (nineteen years ago) link

But, fuck dude, BoC is something above and beyond almost anything ever.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I knew you'd say that! (it was my own fault for laying down the bait, however)

I just reviewed some older threads about Autechre ... it's mostly the same handful of people giving props to the same albums (i.e. opinions haven't changed much over the years). "Chiastic Slide" gets respect from this core group, but very little from "ILM at large". Sure, that's a fairly small sample, but that does fit with my perceptions about Autechre over the last ten years.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

On Chiastic, "Calbruc" = underrated. The last remotely dancey tune they've released.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I always was amazed by that 3-star rating Chiastic Slide got on AMG (followed by this comment in the LP5 review: "1997's Chiastic Slide wasn't considered a true follow-up by the band". I can't remember ever reading this at the time.)

My favourite Ae sort of changes from day tot day between Amber - Tri - Chiastic. Today I'm in a Chiastic mood.

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 08:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Bottom line: I hope and they move in a new direction, as they've done with every release so far (someone above said Draft was a step backwards - well even going backwards is a new direction, the first time you do it).

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Chiastic Slide is great because it has Cichli on it and that's worth it for the tag price alone. I think the album peters out towards the end though.

Tri Repetae was nice - a very different vibe to any of the other albums in that it had comparatively linear beats and stuff. Definitely not my favourite though.

I'm going to put on Amber again in a mo as I've neglected it for ages.

LP5 is truly gorgeous - melodic, rhythmic, inventive all at the same time. I was never a big fan of the first two tracks which just sound like erratic drill'n'bass rip offs but the rest is so so good!

EP7 is really really good too. Kind of an extension of LP5, the second half is particularly great. Maphive6.1 invoking the sound of battling hoardes and then something that sounds like a cross between a piano and guitar comes in.

Confield? I really don't know. It's my least favourite. Some of the sounds are just too harsh for me to accept. The bass drum beats on Cfern are genuinely horrible and sound like a four year old hitting a touch sensitive keyboard at random. When this came out everyone was saying the stand out tracks were "Pen Expers" and "Eidetic Casein" - the former sounding like someone hoovering up iron nails, and the latter like a bunch of toy keyrings all going off at the same time. I only really like the ambient "Uviol" on this one.

Draft7.30 is actually a really clever album. I always felt that with Confield there was no reference at all - it was just alien music, whereas you could really hear Autechre's influences on this record, so much so I once layered Funkadelic's "Who says funk bands can't play rock?" over VProc. There's a big old-skool influence on this too.
The first track sounds like a giant Dune worm pounding along the ground, and the second track makes me think of being on a creepy old pirate ship. Maybe my third or fourth favourite album of theirs.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

i can unequivocally say that i rate everything they've done.

one of my favorite things about the chiastic period is that they released two great singles off the album. i don't think that's happpened since.

it's tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Chiastic is indeed underrated. I initially stayed away from it due to all the reviews/word of mouth, but found it in the used bin and was delighted by it (as much as one can be "delighted" by Autechre.)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

And I still can't help from saying "Oughta-Ker" instead of "Aw-Tek-Rah"

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm sure it's been said befrore but it took me a while to realise "Cichlisuite" should be pronounced "sickly-sweet", and it is one of their sweetest sounding releases. i like that track "Krib" that sounds like it's all samples from an aerosol can.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

chiastic got bad reviews when it came out? how weird (or stupid actually).

i would love if they dropped some 4/4 or trance on us. could you imagine the melodic build ups? holy fuck.

it's tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Well there's this remix they did of Various Artists and that's basically banging 4/4 IIRC, it's on Tobias Thomas Fur Dich mixcd. Every time I hear it I can't believe it's them.

Can't remember any bad reviews of Chiastic Slide.

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

they did a 4/4 track for the warp 10+3 remixes compilation, too. let's say it's not their best work.

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

>i would love if they dropped some 4/4 or trance on us.

try 'slow acid' from the Gescom ISS:SA ep... came out two years ago but the pieces date from LP5/EP7 era.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh thanks, milton.

i play around with "we r are why" a lot when i am mixing - it's one of the few 4/4-ish tracks i know by them.

i have that warp remix comp, but can't recall the track vahid mentions. must investigate...

it's tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha, must visit there someday. Just got the new CD, gonna fit in as many listens as possible before the gig tonight...

ledge (ledge), Thursday, 14 April 2005 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

That was superb! Was worried it was gonna be too hardcore to listen to, too abstract to dance to, but it was perfectly pitched. My favourite ae gig so far I think.

They didn't come on till midnight though, which meant four hours of sitting around, as we got there at 8, and couldn't be bothered to dance or even listen to the support DJs.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 15 April 2005 09:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Hopefully getting this tomorrow, if Amazon don't fuck up.

I listend to Chiastic for the first time this weekend, my fellow Warp chum told me it wasn't a great album and remarked that it was a bit of a mess musically but I really like it.

Ste (Fuzzy), Sunday, 17 April 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Got it today and listened to about half of it. It's quite... danceable actually!

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Chiastic is great, Cichli is genius.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoa! Just listened to it.

Personally, so far, I hate it.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening to it a lot, which is a good sign. My take on it so far: The progression from Draft to Untilted is probably the most linear since Amber-->Tri Repetae. But also it's like Draft meets Confield, the harsh percussion of the former with the textures of the latter. Basically it's the album Draft should have been...

ledge (ledge), Monday, 25 April 2005 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the progression would have worked better if they'd gone EP7 - Untilted - Draft7.30 - Confield.

Really, I think this is their best and most accessible out of the last few and I'm still trying to understand Confield for some reason. A lot of it is very similar to EP7 as well and there's some really cheeky samples buried deep in there.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 25 April 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Confield would have seemed like a radical break whenever it was released, it just seems to stand out on its own. Whenever I think about it I get textures and images, and the percussion just doesn't feature. I know Cfern and Pen Expers are pretty beat heavy but I don't think they represent the album.

Tell me more about these samples...

ledge (ledge), Monday, 25 April 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't looked at the tracklisting, just been listening to the cd but there's some interesting stuff going on that makes me smile.

One track has all these 80s breakdance sounds and actually sounds like it's supposed to be played off of an early electro record.

The first track is kind of pumping - it's the danciest thing Autechre have done in ages. I do kind of wish they could do another Arch Carrier again, just for me though.

There is a track with loads of "hooraying" crowd noises and strange human mumbling - and i like that in an autechre track. Not since that BOAC track have I heard any real human samples being used.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 25 April 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
anyone have any u.s. tour reports?? the .microsound list seems to like snd more, but they would. i'm going to see them tonight. the new album seems to be really divisive among fans. i think it's a grower.

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought their NYC show started really slow, but turned out quite nice - like one long 90-minute build-up. it took about a half hour to get really interesting. the end bordered on chaos, it was great.

i haven't heard much of the new record yet but i was told they played lots of it.

rajeev (rajeev), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

excellent. bring on the chaos.

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought both were pretty amazing. they dwarfed the earlier caribou/jr boys/russian futurists show upstairs (they played the bar upstairs w/ bad sound @ 6). autechre and snd played downstairs later.

both autechre and snd were more engaging than most rock acts i've seen. in some ways this wasn't surprising at all.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i like untilted.

i'm going to see autechre in asheville two weeks from now. i'm stoked!

latebloomer: the rebel sound of grits and bacon (latebloomer), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

that they were more engaging is not surprising to me either...last time i saw them (the only time i saw them actually), the venue was just dark with no visuals or lighting to speak of, there was just sound and it was utterly engrossing. one of the best shows that i've ever been to. by the end, i'd say about half the audience had left which is pretty classic. i could make some disparaging comments, but i won't because less people made it sound better!

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 13 May 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them on tuesday. I thought it was a really good show. The totally chaotic parts where all these weird sounds were playing at once were the best (this is a pretty awful description, but it's pretty hard to describe).

I was kind of undecided about untilted, but seeing them live made me appreciate it a lot more. I've been listening to it a bunch these last few days.

peter in montreal (spaces are allowed), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah NYC was pitch black as well. it also boasted the highest male-to-female ratio i've ever seen at a show.

rajeev (rajeev), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

The show in Toronto was incredible. Autechre started with the harsh, jackhammer beats -- think track 1 on the "Basscadet" ep -- moved on to skittery stuff like the "Draft 7:30" and "Untilted" tracks, and ended with chaos. They played for about 90 minutes in total.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i bet that the women at the nyc show were the coolest ever. girls be discussing the algorithmic alchemy.

tricky (disco stu), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

The Toronto show was indeed great if exhausting. Did you ever find out who the openers were? #2 was pretty damn good.

I enjoyed Untilted quite a bit on first listen. In a weird way it reminds me of listening to things like drum solos or West African drum circles. I might like it more than Draft 7.30 (the only other one I have) but that might just be because it seems to have more straight grooves.

Sundar (sundar), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah NYC was pitch black as well. it also boasted the highest male-to-female ratio i've ever seen at a show. -- rajeev
haha you obviously weren't at the squarepusher show in boston - I was shocked.
I have to admit, this definitely puts me off going to some shows if Im not feeling particularly motivated to begin with. I skipped the ae nyc & boston shows cos Im not really feelin the new one enough to justify the drive & $$
anyway yeah, I don't know why there is such poor female attendance at these kind of shows. I can't think of a single good reason for it.

vanessa novaeris (novaeris), Friday, 13 May 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Did you ever find out who the openers were? #2 was pretty damn good.

According to the schedule on Warp's website, SND are playing all dates on the tour incl. Canada.

I saw SND a couple of years ago and they were similarly awesome. I have no idea why their records are so boring in comparison to their live sets.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 13 May 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Got 'Untilted' prior to seeing them live this weekend, it's alright maybe it will grow on me more (only 2 full listens). I like the first three tracks best, they seem to have a really propulsive broken-groove about them, but without just banging the point home. After those it seems to slip into business as usual, not a huge amount of variation. 'The Trees' seemed to stand out more this time.

But, it does seem to be all about the 'craft' and little else here to me. Doesn't feel like a significant advance in sound compared to the records I know by them (Tri Repetae, Chiastic Slide, LP5) but I do love how smudgy, oily and dark it all feels, it's a very 'live' sounding record. Sublimit' is a bit of an anticlimactic closing track compared to some of their other work though. Doesn't really surpass, or expand my expectations of them as a whole record.

fandango (fandango), Monday, 4 July 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Even at a very reasonable home-listening volume... Untilted is one bastard LOUD record, at least for the first three tracks. I think they might be worth the price I paid for this (cheap promo in card sleeve) alone.

fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
anybody going to see them in Camden (koko is it?) on september 17? i am tempted to make the journey down but not sure whether it will be worth the large train fare.

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I am feeling too old for this. Doors at 11? C'mon! I need to be tucked up in bed with a mug of steaming Horlicks by 12 at the latest.

Plus getting home from Camden after tubes have finished = a bitch.

ledge (ledge), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone convince me to get Untilted even though I already have Confield and Draft?

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 21 August 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

It's better than Draft and more enjoyable than Confield.

Lukas (lukas), Sunday, 21 August 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

it's okay. i must admit for a band i once thought were infallible i'm really starting to lose my patience with them.

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 21 August 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

unfortunately dog latin is also right.

Lukas (lukas), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
"clipper" c/d?

and what, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Can't remember, sing it and i'll tell ya...

Oh it's one of the first three off tri repetae, they're all solid gold; the exemplary tracks on an exemplary album.

Wonder what they're up to now.

ledge, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

anyone know where i can find that webcast?

funny farm, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link


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