Which Queens of Stone Age album should I buy?

1st album then songs then rated r imo

so i'm to understand that what i've been calling "stoner rock" is actually something called "doom" and that the queens are part of a genre i'm not really familiar with?

i dunno about any of this but i like the first queens album the most, the one w/ the crotch on the album cover

wow that live version sounds anemic this one is way better

Qotsa arent really stoner either, but theyre certainly not doom. Josh calls the 1st album "robot rock".
Kyuss were stoner rock. Unida are stoner rock. Electric Wizard and Sleep straddle the line of stoner and doom. Stoner generally has a less metal influence with a more MC5/Stooges/Hawkwind psychedelic/space rock with FUZZY guitar influence while Doom is more METAL. Like i said some bands do both.

"i bought "rated r" because i ran out of earth, sleep, electric wizard, om, high on fire, sunn, kyuss, earthless and st vitus albums to get."

Yes, based on this statement, here are some albums you might prefer:

Goatsnake - I & Flower of Disease
Cathedral - Forest of Equilibrium
Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
Orange Goblin - The Big Black
Trouble - The Skull & Psalm 9

orange goblin are the worst band ive ever seen. Supporting Unida (who were FANTASTIC)in 99 and then headlining over Nebula the following year. (Nebula pissed all over them)

You're crazy. I only like that one album of theirs, but both shows I've seen (which granted were a few years later than you saw them), they absolutely leveled the place.

Are they ever going to reissue that first QOTSA album? I never bought it when I had the chance, now its into pricey eBay territory it seems.

come to think of it, if someone asked me what queens of the stone age album to buy, i would just tell them to buy:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1026/770965664_65d1062ece.jpg?v=0

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KB5RHNCKL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

cuz i wouldn't want to live without them. can't say that about any queens album.

scott what is that first one

http://www.mastersofreality.de/assets/images/1988_mor_blue_garden.jpg

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Masters of Reality's self-titled debut

(you'd be excused, however, for assuming it was Miranda Sex Garden or some similar medieval awfulness)

thakig u!!

i think some of the songs are really great but, take a song like "auto pilot". awesome idea, nice lyrics, good arrangement, great guitar lead. but then there's that omnipresent radio rock thing where they mix really clean-sounding guitars with distorted guitars playing the same thing, and there's whiny modern rock "i'm not really singing" thing going on where you can practically see the dude's beefy neck muscles straining out of his von dutch t-shirt. and i stop and go am i listening to a kyuss side project or a foo fighters side project?

i guess what keeps me listening after three days is that i have my odd moments of nostalgia for stuff like stone temple pilots ... but it's a slippery slope from here to the foo fighters, and thence to something like switchfoot, amirite?

i guess the adventurous "ok computer" style production saves it from that, though. and the lead guitar is great!

frightening

i'd say listen to all of them first, then decide which you like best and purchase

I've never understood all the love - often exclusive - for the debut album. I'll have to drag mine out and listen to it, for what will probably be the fourth or fifth time in total. (And then, probably, stick it on eBay, if it's actually rare.) All I seem to remember is a lot of stolid, workmanlike riffage. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but . .

Is it because it's the only one that sounds a little bit like Kyuss?

the first one (with the 70s tits on the front)

I saw Masters Of Reality some years back. Fantastic band and I hope there's a new album on it's way.

I'd hold onto that debut a bit longer Soukesian, I guess its not worth quite *that* much yet. Seems to be going for $20-$30 on eBay and Amazon right now. Still, I'm not sure that I really want to pay even that much for it. Just kicking myself for not picking it up when I used to see it around all the time.

Heh, on second thought... sell it quick! According to a couple comments on Amazon, its being reissued by the end of the year!

I think Era Vulgaris is a top notch rock n roll album, anyone with me?

Is that the Masters of Reality album with "Doraldina's Prophecies" and "Kill the King"? It appears to be DRM free at the iTunes store, but with a different cover.

Also, never knew Chris Goss produced The Flys.

The 1st album was reissued with a different cover and renamed "The Blue Garden"

Hmm, the one on iTunes right now is called self-titled, but its got a collage of pictures on the cover, one of which is from the cover scott posted.

Queen's best moments are when Mark Lanegan is singing: God is in the Radio, In the Fade, Song for the Deaf ("the blind can go get fucked!" classic).

well the 1st album is self titled but did get reissued as "The Blue Garden". So the album on itunes is the one youre after.

I've been disappointed in the last couple albums. I think they lost some kind of spark and fire when Nick Oliveri got the boot.

wait, so is the difference between "masters of reality" and "blue garden" the mastering/mix? because i know the vinyl of the s/t is supposed to be a different, superior mix to the cd.

I've been disappointed in the last couple albums. I think they lost some kind of spark and fire when Nick Oliveri got the boot.

meh. some of their best shit is sans Oliveri andf probably wouldn't have happened with him around (e.g. "I Never Came," "Make It Wit' Chu")

never found their albums that compelling but live they sound amazing. listening to their glastonbury performance now.

do they have an album with rawer production?

xpost Make It Wit Chu was an old Desert Sessions song they revived for Queens. Doesn't support the "they couldn't have done it with Oliveri" theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4O3LnDsPik

do they have an album with rawer production?

well, there is the live release if you prefer the more direct form .. (the dvd came with a cd version .. )

I only ever heard Rated R. I should really check out some other stuff, but for me they'll never quite cut it because they just aren't Kyuss.

Era Vulgaris is raw in a mechanized sort of way.

they'll never quite cut it because they just aren't Kyuss

different type of band imo

the first album is the best by far

For Kyuss and first album fans, I would direct to Gozu (who should have a second album coming soon, and are touring this summer) and early Colour Haze.

Kyuss/Stoner Rock

the first album is the best by far

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Agreed. Things progressively went downhill after that. Homme is also a Tea Party loving dickhead.

then and now, songs for the deaf, even over kyuss. it's their biggest hit, commercial as hell, and a far cry from "stoner rock," but i like nearly every song, love the production & drumming. i played it to death at the time and still keep a distance due to overfamiliarity, but that doesn't dim my affection even the least little bit.

the first album is the worst by far fyi

To me, the last two LPs are really a step down from the first three. I've gotten the last two CDs listened to them a couple of times and they have not left the shelf for much. They just are there. I think the stripped down minimalism of the first one is way more unique than anything else they did.

Roberto the first album is the best fyi infinity

hahaha. well, i keep going back to it. maybe one day it will click.

Homme is also a Tea Party loving dickhead.

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go on

Rated R is my favourite, then maybe Era Vulgaris. Songs For The Deaf has some good moments but is too loud and too long. Debut has a couple of top songs but is a bit squiffy. Love Rated R all the way through, though. Their most fun record, I think.

Accepted in principal; but citations required.

Check the lyrics to I Appear Missing in particular.

From Wiki:

In 2010, frontman Josh Homme was hospitalized for thirteen days, and subsequently bedridden for four months, following complications during a routine knee surgical procedure.[4] Homme noted, "I woke up and there was a doctor going, ‘Shit, we lost you.' I couldn’t get up for four months. When I did, I hadn’t got a clue what was going on." During this time, Homme sank into a deep depression, noting "I would never say, 'I'm probably not gonna make it out of here.' But back then, I would definitely think it."[4] The remaining members of Queens of the Stone Age - guitarist Troy Van Leeuwen, drummer Joey Castillo, bassist Michael Shuman and guitarist and keyboardist Dean Fertita - encouraged Homme to return to the band to begin work on a sixth studio album.[5] Homme noted, "I had to ask them 'If you want to make a record with me right now, in the state I’m in, come into the fog. It’s the only chance you got.' It brought us much closer, because you never really know someone till everything goes wrong."[6]

they played the whole album live last night:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01b7kmv

This is growing into a titan of a record.

this is a terrific album. however, i think the track order hurts it. it takes too long to really get going. it's okay leading off with Keep Your Eyes Peeled, and I Sat By The Ocean is a great way to follow it, but you can't piss away the momentum by then going straight into another more meandering track like Vampyre. having diagnosed the disorder i have fixed it. it's only an adjustment, not an overhaul, but i think it's a big improvement and, of course, you are welcome.

Keep Your Eyes Peeled
I Sat By The Ocean
My God Is The Sun
Kalopsia
If I Had A Tail
Fairweather Friends
Smooth Sailing
The Vampyre Of Time And Memory
I Appear Missing
...Like Clockwork

Amazing performance from "Like Clockwork"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqFnDWdUBi8

s & d :: desert sessions is a thread I keep reviving and receiving very little interest, so I'm reaching out to its members' home threads.

No help for that, but I have noticed that Songs For The Death is probably a key influence on the new Sturgill.

I made it through the first few minutes of the Sturgill record before I needed a break. Are you saying I should dive deeper?

No, put on Songs For The Deaf.

That works for me!

Didn't know that Homme & Dalle had split up in '19, and things have gotten progressively uglier since...

https://www.nme.com/news/music/josh-hommes-daughter-granted-extension-to-restraining-order-3057678

WARNING: TRIGGERING DETAILS OF (ALLEGED) CHILD ABUSE

Not to make light of anything here but it's not hard to believe a guy with a famous drinking problem who has been arrested for beating up one of the Dwarves and kicked a camera person in the face during a show might not be the best guy.

I mean, we 100% don't know the full story. There were about 100 pages of legal docs released a few weeks ago from Homme's side. I don't think anything has been made public like that from Dalle's attorneys. Part of what Homme alleges is that he's been in treatment and on Antabuse since the face kick incident, whereas Dalle has not. There is a ton more, which I won't detail here. Some of it is banal and some of it is definitely sketchy. There are probably depressing details about Homme in Dalle's attorneys' filings that haven't been brought to light yet. I'm not trying to advocate for anybody's "side".

I'm a fan of both musicians. They've both written songs for their children in the past that I've listened to a lot . I even have Josh's 7" from 2018 that features Brody and the kids performing Twas the Night Before Christmas (it's not really a great listen, imo, but it sucks to even see it in my record collection with all the familial rancor).

Whole thing sucks.

Oh yeah, it really does, especially for the kids. I wasn't inferring that it's all on him, btw, I know they've both been through a lot. Homme has just always come across as not a nice guy, so it's hard not to keep that in context.

Yeah, he's definitely got anger issues.