Best Led Zeppelin Album?

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ok, i like "The Song Remains the Same," but I'm not really seeing why so many of you consider it your favorite LZ song...it hasnt really stuck out like that for me yet.

― ryan, Saturday, 21 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Can someone please explain to me or point me to a thread telling me what "Canon bands" are and why there is such hatred for them on here? I think I'm caught up on the whole "rockism versus popism" thing, but this is new to me.

― Jeff Treppel, Saturday, 21 April 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ryan, listen to the live version of it from the soundtrack to the Song Remains The Same film. That's really my fave version, I didn't mean the album version as much.

― Bimble, Saturday, 21 April 2007 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's worth mentioning that even as I spent a ridiculous amount of money on CD's tonight, my loot included the BBC Sessions and How The West Was Won, neither of which I have owned before. And all because of ILM. So I want to give you all a great big kiss. Or something.

I'm going to get more beer.

― Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

jeff a lot of times it's not that there's a hatred of canon bands (you know, accepted classics) so much as there is an exhaustion over endless discussion of them.

― pretzel walrus, Sunday, 22 April 2007 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

that said lz kick ass and you're probably missing a chromosome or something if you don't like them

― pretzel walrus, Sunday, 22 April 2007 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

The BBC Sessions cd is awesome and you won't regret buying that.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

it is? damnit! now i got another one to get....how about Coda?

― ryan, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

"ok, i like "The Song Remains the Same," but I'm not really seeing why so many of you consider it your favorite LZ song...it hasnt really stuck out like that for me yet."

I was one of the people saying it's my favorite Zep song. As someone who likes more complex, technical stuff, the more blues-oriented songs can be a bit dull for me-- however great the guitar solos. This one has tremendous guitar driving the song throughout without a boring-to-me song structure.

― professor ganson, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

It has a festive, glorious opening. I think it's one of the best examples, if not the best example, of the guitar-as-orchestra thing Page was doing in this period. And it still rocks.

― Sundar, Sunday, 22 April 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Coda's a mixed bag by definition, but it has one of my top-3 favorite LZ songs, "Wearing and Tearing."

― Rock Hardy, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

"It has a festive, glorious opening."

And it's such a great way to start an album, such energy throughout. Makes me think of Drive Like Jehu's "Here Come the Rome Plows"-- so expert and energetic (for lack of a better word).

― professor ganson, Sunday, 22 April 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Not that I'm sick of their albums they way they are - they'll still sustain me for another coupla decades - but I'd really like to resequence those early albums, adding the songs that were recorded but unused until "PG" and "Coda", see how they'd differ. "Poor Tom" is a little gem that shouldn't have been excluded from "III".

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 23 April 2007 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm hmm. You got that right! Poor Tom is what I pull out Coda for, usually.

― Bimble, Monday, 23 April 2007 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

I must go listen to that song just now then.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Re. "canon bands" for Jeff - the perception that ILM doesn't like the 'canon' of classic rock bands comes from:

- feeling on early ILM that there wasn't much to say about them any more and that discussion of them was already very well-served online.
- scepticism and debate about whether canons in popular music were desirable, preventable, inevitable etc etc.
- vociferous dislike of any given canon band by one or two prominent posters (I was, wrongly, one of these in LZ's case)

If I was to set up ILM all over again, knowing what I do now, one of the things I'd do would be to have a one-act-one-thread policy: a single 'classic or dud' thread for every band, regardless of fame or length of service, with new users encouraged to join in the everlasting conversation. (Classic or dud is still my favourite format because it starts from the viewpoint that the status of any band is always still up for grabs.)

― Groke, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Tom OTM re his last point.

One of the problems is that with thread revivals that many of those who were here years ago moan that everything has already been covered. Personally it has never bothered me and Tom changing his mind on Led Zep shows just how worthwhile it is to revive those threads. Would be great to see what people thought all those years ago and why they have changed their minds. I'm sure plenty have started to appreciate pop music just by being on ILM so clearly it works both ways. (not holding my breath on Lex or Geir though)

Anyone else you have changed your mind on, Tom?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose that could be a new thread for Tom to start actually. Just to see how everyone has changed(if at all)

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. I like the Stones a lot more now too. And I'm not bothered about the Magnetic Fields anymore - when ILM started they were a favourite band.

xpost there are threads like that around.

― Groke, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

i dug out that 3 fave records of the moment thread, and was quite surprised to see what i put down initially. still sort of relevant, but i must have had those records on the brain at that time

― Charlie Howard, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

I still like The Magnetic Fields but I guess I do listen to more Led Zep , Sabbath or the Stones now. That may be because of course for a long time I didn't need to hear those albums again as I had played them so much and then got back into them.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

If I was to set up ILM all over again, knowing what I do now, one of the things I'd do would be to have a one-act-one-thread policy: a single 'classic or dud' thread for every band, regardless of fame or length of service, with new users encouraged to join in the everlasting conversation.

This is difficult when threads are deleted arbitrarily...

― NYCNative, Monday, 23 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I have a MIDI "Immigrant Song" as my ringtone. It sounds like the "Dr Who" theme.

― sexyDancer, Monday, 23 April 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

So everyone who hasn't heard Presence didn't vote for it, then?

― Brooker Buckingham, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I'm sure smarter minds than may have figured this out already, but: it seems sort of silly to think that all the discussion to be had on classic rock bands has been had. I mean, people has been analyzing Shakespeare for centuries, and they're still coming up with new perspectives on his work.

― Jeff Treppel, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

(me, not may. See? I'm proving my own point.)

― Jeff Treppel, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

My brain hurts from reading that enemies of ilm thread.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

(not holding my breath on Lex or Geir though)

Well, I know what I like and don't like and there's no way I'm changing my mind when it comes to genres. And also when it comes to a band, I only pay attention to the actual music and I am completely uninterested in cultural context. So no matter how put off I may be by the personality, political view, fans, whatever of a certain band, if I like it I like it. And same the other way round.

But that's not to say I haven't discovered a lot of great music by reading ILM, not to mention all the stuff I discovered from discussing music with lots of the same people who are here now back on alt.music.alternative in the 90s. (Too bad Persi isn't around though)
But then, it's mainly about discovering new bands within styles and genres that I already like.

― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff it was a combination of "much discussed already" and "much discussed elsewhere on the interweb" - this latter was probably truer of eg Pavement than Led Zep.

― Groke, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

I was new to the internet though when ILM started. So none of that was played out to me. I kept getting linked to threads by friends and eventually in early 2001 I stayed. Don't think I actually posted though.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

It was all fields round here etc regarding topics mind you.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Listened to II today and I don't see why someone said its "not fleshed out". Sounds pretty good to me.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

Physical Grafitti? Seriously?

― I eat cannibals, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6917449.stm

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 26 July 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

Page should sit in with Metallica in a new band called "The Establishment".

― Bill Magill, Thursday, 26 July 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44022000/jpg/_44022510_jimmpagetvgrab203.jpg

― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 26 July 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

"The legitimate part is where fans trade music, but once you start packaging it up and you do not know what you are getting, you are breaking the rules legally and morally.

"There are some of these recordings where it is just a whirring and you cannot hear the music.

"If you have something like this that appears legitimate then it is just not right."

this seems like a perfectly legit position to me

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 26 July 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

hey man, if someone wants to uncover one, I'd gladly buy a recording of Gonzaga '68 which didn't sound like whirring!

― Stormy Davis, Thursday, 26 July 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Why did II do so badly?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:17 (seventeen years ago)

I would have expected II to get a whole lotta love but evidently it got trampled under foot.

― Euler, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:18 (seventeen years ago)

16 people need trampled on ;)

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:22 (seventeen years ago)

man this is some bullshit, PG ain't even top 4 for me

― Shawty Lo Collier (some dude), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

yup

― mark cl, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:23 (seventeen years ago)

I think these days I would lean toward Physical Graffiti but I is my usual favorite, and it too got the shaft.

― Euler, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:25 (seventeen years ago)

is this another UK vs US canon example like on the Sabbath thread?

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:26 (seventeen years ago)

The last time I was at Strictly Discs I found a used copy of the remastered In Through the Out Door and bought it. My least favorite clerk was like "Really? Out of all their albums?" I said "IT IS AWESOME." Just like that. He meekly replied "most people go for one of the others" and I raised myself to my full eight feet, unfurled my black leathery wings, and intoned ""I AM NOT MOST PEOPLE""

he got the hint i think

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:52 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha love this guy

― Shawty Lo Collier (some dude), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:27 (seventeen years ago)

I kinda feel like CODA is my favorite.

― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:28 (seventeen years ago)

CODA is underappreciated

― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:31 (seventeen years ago)

i only got the complete works box set fairly recently so my opinion isn't fully formed but my rough pecking order is like:

Houses > IV > I > II > Presence > PF > Out Door > III

haven't really thought of where Coda would place, though. PF's got good stuff but the hitting percentage is way lower and i kinda feel like their songs are so epic in general that a double is just overkill.

― Shawty Lo Collier (some dude), Monday, 6 April 2009 20:36 (seventeen years ago)

Presence > PG > Houses > IV > III > Out Door > I > II

some days I would switch III and IV

― WmC, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:40 (seventeen years ago)

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