How good is 'American Boy' by Estelle?

Lollipop doesn't really sound like that at all though!

the thing that i think is the difference between grind mode/ball greezy/lollipop/whatever we are calling "miami sound" is the simplicity, like polow/dream stuff is just way busier (not nec in a bad way), but that's what really struck me about "i'm so high"

Lollipop = "Low" + T-Pain

also spaciousness in the miami stuff

wait low has t-pain on it

Ryan Leslie I'll give you but the otehr stuff is different, it's more of a disco/rnb throwback stuff, which obviously blew up with "Sensual Seduction" but has been bubbling with a bunch of tracks that come more from RnB than they do from hip hop or crunk

"My Love" is 120 bpm in my book

aaaaannnndd "Lollipop" = some weird exception that I have not yet wrapped my head around

it's really cute watching you guys try to conflate about 5 different trends being followed by 50 different artists into one tidy narrative.

so what I'm saying is "Love in this club" et al DO NOT EQUAL "miami sound"

why do you hate fun alex

alex in b'more:
http://www.rondak.org/Images/publicfigs/cop4.jpg

wait til "Miami Vice" gets dropped as Weezy's second single (fingers crossed)...see rolling ringtone for a link

I don't think anyone's trying to squash this all into one narrative.

wait low has t-pain on it

-- J0rdan S., Friday, March 28, 2008 8:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

yo this was amazing

I don't know if I can agree with you guys painting the "miami sound" as cool and breezy - where does "i'm so hood" fit in? "the boss"? "we takin over"? hell, "drifter" is pretty intense - and isn't shawty redd from atl?

just cuz it comes from MIA doesnt mean it has to fit this sound we're talking about

guyz, it is hella snowing all of a sudden

but you referenced the runners as one of the creators of this sound and they produced 2 of those songs

where does "i'm so hood" fit in? "the boss"? "we takin over"?

yeah, this is the stuff I'm thinking of as "the Miami sound". That epic Runners/Cool & Dre sweep.

well an i'm so hood/the boss etc are straight rap, whereas lollipop/im so high/shone are not. i wouldn't lump the ross album in with those, though that has a distinct miami sounds, but it's distinct miami rap

it's an actual trend that is emerging, I think, but it's not like you go to miami and all you hear is "I'm So High" or anything...that's all part of it, Rick Ross is on the remix, his album sounds like all this stuff, its a movement not a genre,it encompasses different styles

also add "All That Money" to miami sound

polow/dream/atl has way more of a back catalog to look at as far as r&b contemp r&b songs than does miami, which i'm only referencing as the three i brought up already

yea matrix otm re: all that money

yeah but they've shifted along with Shawty Redd to a more vibey sound, I mean SHawty Redd went from Jeezy's first album to "Sensual Seduction"!!! there's clearly something goin on there...

xp about the runners

whats "all that money"?

and I'm going to have to check out rick ross' album

all that money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=076BFf7Ekgs

it's great! xp trilla

one of my fave songs of the year-- i've been telling people it sounds like sensual seduction-- it just has that same vibe, really light and breezy (no vocoder though)

lots of xps: yeah, but that Miami rap sound carries over to stuff like "Lollipop" (haha I forgot T-Pain was on there, good calling me out you fucker) and "Love In the Club", not so much something like "I'm So High" (which seems to take its cues from "Sensual Seduction") and let's pretend there's some huge impenetrable barrier between rap & r&b, ffs.

yeah trilla is actually really good-- idk why people are hating on it so much esp. after his last album got the "dont wanna like this but i do" treatment

I should add "Driter" in too when I say "Sensual Seduction".

at least we can all agree that everything mentioned in this thread is better than 'american boy'

woah @ this dro song, damn.

I'm going to have to hear the Rick Ross album now, too.

yea I think the confusion is that Miami blew up as a RAP crew ie: Khaled tracks

but there is also something else going on that may or may not be influencing that rap crew

where does "i'm so hood" fit in? "the boss"? "we takin over"?

except for "Love in This Club" : D : D : D

oops, wrong quote.

one mo gain

at least we can all agree that everything mentioned in this thread is better than 'american boy'

-- J0rdan S., Friday, March 28, 2008 2:06 PM (Friday, March 28, 2008 2:06 PM) Bookmark Link

except for "Love in This Club" : D : D : D

drove around LA all last week with nothing but Trilla, a Johnny Thunders comp and citizen Steely Dan disc 4...Trilla got some serious burn

HELLA snowing

yeah trilla is gonna be rap album of the summer for me

oh wau "All That Money". Seems the beat is probably more Miami Bass than anything else we've been talking about.

I guess there's some of that in the "Drifter"-through-"I'm So High" strain.

if dro releases "all that money" as a single its going top 10

I would politely disagree with that, but I'll be hoping you're right cuz dro is my ninja

yeah its wishful thinking but it should be number one summer jam imo, and he has name recognition at least

have you guys heard the "touch my body" remix with ross and the-dream? it's massive.

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u shoulda put a pic of mariah carey not rick ross fat ass lol

I'm kinda tempted to agree with whoever said the trance influence is > than the snap/crunk in R&B upthread even if those two are on the remix, because I have no been feeling this Mariah song....is it a club song?? I don't get it...

dl'ing the remix now though

walruses are hawt