Rolling Metal Thread 2010

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I'd like to see a metal moms feature about Watain, preferably with childhood corpsepaint photos.

Brad C., Thursday, 10 June 2010 13:14 (sixteen years ago)

My story on Fear Factory...I didn't read the Decibel cover story on them, so I have no idea whether Cazares' allegations came up therein.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Thursday, 10 June 2010 13:45 (sixteen years ago)

io interview confirmed my love tbh

I don't know, their whole "we're soooooo evil, we're soooooooooo evil" schtick just rubs me the wrong way. Of course some would argue thats the point, but the stronger they deny that its all an act - the more I'm inclined to read it as such.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 June 2010 15:00 (sixteen years ago)

i mean

...Funtown. (roxymuzak), Thursday, 10 June 2010 15:08 (sixteen years ago)

Are we missing part of your post?

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with schtick (hello, I am a metal fan), but trying to convince me that you actually spend weeks sleeping in the filth of slaughtered animals? No thanks.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 June 2010 15:15 (sixteen years ago)

but that is schtik?

call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 June 2010 15:40 (sixteen years ago)

Are we talking about Watain? The feature made the dude out to be pretty sincere, tbh.

ksh, Thursday, 10 June 2010 15:41 (sixteen years ago)

The Decibel cover story, that is.

ksh, Thursday, 10 June 2010 15:41 (sixteen years ago)

Decibel's not in the business of deflating bands' mythologies, as far as I can tell.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Thursday, 10 June 2010 16:05 (sixteen years ago)

What would it mean for a writer to "deflate" their "mythology"? I mean, the Watain dude seems to just be saying where he's coming from, and the writer's trying to present that in an interesting way. I don't see how someone could "deflate" what the guy's saying without pulling a sort of "This dude's full of shit" move, and there seems to be no ground for doing that, really.

ksh, Thursday, 10 June 2010 16:55 (sixteen years ago)

I don't find Watain's music all that compelling, but I definitely give them credit for putting on a convincing show of making black metal a lifestyle. It sounds miserable to be near, but that makes it more fun to read about it in a magazine.

I also note for the record that I just played my 3yo daughter snippets of the new Jewel and Nevermore albums to choose between for listening while we're eating lunch, and she picked Nevermore with enthusiasm.

glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 10 June 2010 17:08 (sixteen years ago)

Manowar Mythology Deflated

and start with the 1st Iron Maiden, it's their best.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 10 June 2010 17:10 (sixteen years ago)

ksh will love Ever wanted to hear a band that mixes Eurodance/Rave with Metal/Screamo?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 10 June 2010 18:04 (sixteen years ago)

Iron Maiden, Killers, Number Of The Beast and Live After Death are their essential albums I'd say.

Duran (Doran), Thursday, 10 June 2010 18:08 (sixteen years ago)

BEST IRON MAIDEN STUDIO ALBUM

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 10 June 2010 18:30 (sixteen years ago)

I don't get ILM sometimes -- how is Iron Maiden a better album than Killers? It isn't. And the Bruce stuff is better than the Paul stuff -- everything through Seventh Son is a Stone cold classic.

X-Wing fighter in hand, "Godzilla" cranked on the stereo (J3ff T.), Thursday, 10 June 2010 19:38 (sixteen years ago)

And the Bruce stuff is better than the Paul stuff

no.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 10 June 2010 19:51 (sixteen years ago)

Bruce over Paul without question. They gave him the boot for a reason.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Thursday, 10 June 2010 19:58 (sixteen years ago)

What's the point of that Manowar website? Seems unnecessarily mean-spirited.

Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:14 (sixteen years ago)

I like both the Paul and Bruce stuff. Paul had a better batting average, but that will happen when you only get to do 2 records. And I believe he got booted for extracirricular activity, if I remember correctly. I also like Bruce singing the Paul stuff, don't know if it could work the other way around.

Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

Are there ilxors affiliated with that Metal Inquisition site? Just curious, what with the timing of that Xe-None thread popping up here and on the entry over there.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

You just outed pfunkboy!

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:34 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, I saw it on that site while I was looking for the manowar thing (that was discussed on a previous rolling metal thread)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

My thoughts on Iron Maiden's 2000s-heavy set list (hint: I'm in favor).

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:43 (sixteen years ago)

I was just going to post the same thing, I'm totally geeked about the new set. It's pretty much what I was hoping they'd do.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:44 (sixteen years ago)

Not sure I necessarily agree, but Ive seen them enough times. I'll save my beer money for the Slayer/Megadeth concert.

Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:46 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm skipping Slayer/Megadeth, for a couple of reasons: 1) I've seen Slayer enough times already; 2) I saw Megadeth at Roseland a few years ago and at Hammerstein a couple of years after that, and they killed it both times; 3) I'm not into the play-the-whole-album thing; and 4) the Meadowlands is too hard to get to without a car.

Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

When those two albums are Rust in Peace and Seasons in the Abyss, I'll make an exception!

With you on the Meadowlands, I really wish this was at Prudential, but I'll take it. Last time I saw Megadeth was opening for Heaven and Hell at Holmdel a couple years ago, and I was shocked at how awesome they were.

Chicago to Philadelphia: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 10 June 2010 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

I've been trying to remember the "gay metal" band that appeared on the cover of Kerrang and created a lot of controversy. And finally I have found out who was.
RPLA.

Here is the article I found http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/cult-heroes-james-maker/
http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/kerrang-rpla.jpg


It was a most unlikely scenario.

Morrissey’s best china, who apparently began his career as an exotic dancer in The Smiths before fronting bequiffed Mancunian popsters Raymonde, growing his hair long and reinventing himself as the hunky lead singer in a bunch of raging ratbag rawkers called Red Patent Leather Angels (RPLA).

But that’s exactly what happened.

James Maker, come on down.

I remember visiting the offices of EMI Records one time at the beginning of the 1990s and being played a demo of RPLA’s song The Absolute Queen Of Pop.

It sounded like The Cult (Electric era) pummelling their way through a cover of David Bowie’s Rebel Rebel – and I loved it to bits. (Absolute Queen Of Pop is rumoured to be about Morrissey but this has, to the best of my knowledge, never been confirmed.)

Way back then we used to give away flexi-discs with Kerrang! magazine. Strange as it may seem today, they were a popular gift and used to boost our circulation substantially. In February 1991 we decided to include The Absolute Queen Of Pop on one of these flexis, along with tracks from Thunder and a long-forgotten combo by the name of Sweet Addiction.

Kerrang!’s flexis used to be released via imaginary record companies. In this particular case our made-up label was called Bendynoize, the catalogue number of RPLA’s flexi being BENDER 1.

In all honesty, we didn’t know what was about to happen.

http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/kerrang-flexi.jpg

A few months later, in May, ahead of a big marketing push by EMI, we put RPLA on Kerrang!’s cover; photo shoot by Ross Halfin and everything.

Publishing company Emap had just acquired Kerrang! for big bucks and the execs were hesitant about giving RPLA such major coverage. But new bands had been a staple of Kerrang! since its inception 10 years previous. So I told the managing director, Tom Moloney, not to sweat.

RPLA, I insisted breathlessly, were heading for great things.

Unbeknown to me, Moloney was something of a secret rocker and went to check out RPLA when they played London’s Marquee club. He burst into the Kerrang! office the next morning and barked: “They’re the worst band I’ve ever seen!” (I think this may have hastened my departure from Kerrang!’s hallowed halls.)

The jockstrap well and truly unravelled shortly afterwards. RPLA frontman James Maker told the world – well, anyone who would listen, at any rate – that he was homosexual. Kerrang!, somehow, became a laughing stock for unwittingly putting a ‘gay heavy metal band’ on its cover.

You’d have thought Ross Halfin, in particular, would have been apoplectic with rage. But, strangely, I remember him taking it all in his stride. In fact, Ross was more concerned about RPLA’s guitarist, Peter Kinski, looking like a chicken.

Today, when no one bats an eyelid at George Michael’s capers in the gents, when Elton John and David Furnish are treated with Chas and Di-style reverence, it seems inconceivable that RPLA caused such controversy.

But the same people who criticised the metal press for failing to out Rob Halford before the Judas Priest frontman outed himself… wow, did they ever revel in Kerrang!’s discomfort.

In their eyes, the macho world of metal had been well and truly breached. The ramparts had crumbled. Instead of pouring boiling oil on the interlopers we were welcoming them with bunches of daffodils.

What these people – notably NME journos eager to boost the value of their copies of Raymonde’s These Boots Were Made For Walking at Cheapo Cheapo’s – didn’t know was that Kerrang! gave RPLA the full-on front-cover treatment purely on the merits of their music.

There was no hidden agenda, at least on my part. It didn’t bother me whether RPLA were gay, straight or rampant sheep-shaggers. They just made great sounds.

Not that Kerrang! writer Chris Watts agreed with me. We sent Chris to review RPLA live and he was so appalled, he threw a pint of cider over James Maker’s head.

Still, the dust eventually settled (and the cider got mopped up). Much to my surprise, Maker phoned me up one day and invited me out for a… nibble. We met at an Italian restaurant just around the corner from Kerrang!’s Carnaby Street HQ. All the time the singer wore a wry grin on his face. Slouching with distressed elegance in his chair, he quaffed copious amounts of expensive red wine – Italian Barolo, if memory serves – and didn’t eat a thing. He acted like a prize ponce. It was oddly gratifying, in a way.

EMI’s big RPLA push fizzled out. It seemed that the company had been unaware of Maker’s sexual bent and had no idea of how to market a (here comes that phrase again) ‘gay heavy metal band’. After a handful of singles RPLA were dropped.

RPLA’s one and only album, Metal Queen Hijack, emerged in 1994 via a label called Collision Arts. I only became aware of this fact recently; I assumed it had never been released officially.

Fast-forward to the present day. I was boarding the loft of my house the other weekend (glamorous rock’n’roll lifestyle, eh?!) when I came across a bin-liner lying between the rafters. The bag had split down the middle and dozens of old-fashioned cassettes had spewed out.

One in particular caught my eye. Copied in Real Time by Maria Gordon at Abbey Road Studios on July 28, 1993. NR Dolby B. EQ Chrome. BASF CRSII C-60 Tape.

It was a pre-release copy of Metal Queen Hijack by RPLA. I hadn’t heard it in years.

But I had no means of playing it… or had I? Suddenly I remembered I’ve still got an old-fashioned cassette player lodged in the dashboard of my car. (Like Alec Issigonis, I never play music while driving. The late Issigonis, who created the original Mini, intentionally left no space for a radio to be installed in his Mini design.)

I clambered down from the loft, tore like a madman out of the front door and on to the driveway. I whipped open the door of my car, whacked in the crusty cassette and cranked the volume up to the max.

I prayed the cassette was still playable. And it was.

The neighbours howled in disbelief when they heard RPLA’s call to arms:

“’ERE, RUBE! YOU AND SYLV’ GET ON THE MIC AND GIVE US A BELTER!”

Then the title track began, our Cult Hero bellowing triumphantly: “Metal Queen Hijack, stole your front cover…”

But no regrets, Mr Maker. None whatsoever.

* To find out what James Maker is up to know, visit www.jamesmaker.com

* Check out these videos to RPLA’s songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0rRBcsnuoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz50G_jLmPk&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ixuxHOw_M4&feature=related

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 17:37 (sixteen years ago)

I just noticed

Kerrang!’s flexis used to be released via imaginary record companies. In this particular case our made-up label was called Bendynoize, the catalogue number of RPLA’s flexi being BENDER 1.

In all honesty, we didn’t know what was about to happen.

Is it wrong to snigger at that?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 17:41 (sixteen years ago)

Stryper are to release a covers album in the autumn – and it’s got the cunning title of The Covering.

The Christian rockers will include the following classics:

Judas Priest – Breaking The Law

Iron Maiden – The Trooper

Scorpions – Blackout

Ozzy Osbourne – Over The Mountain

Sweet – Set Me Free

Van Halen – On Fire

Deep Purple – Highway Star

Black Sabbath – Heaven And Hell

UFO – Lights Out

Kansas – Carry On Wayward Son

Kiss – Shout It Out Loud

Who will be reviewing that for Decibel?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 17:49 (sixteen years ago)

Black metal geeks, are there any essential 2010 BM records I need to buy that aren't in the following list of stuff I've already purchased?

Castevet, The Howling Wind, Ludicra, Nachtmystium, Twilight, Watain

All of those records are still pretty much in my queue, which shows how far behind I am, but I don't mind making the queue even longer. Thanks in advance guys!

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:05 (sixteen years ago)

Think I'll wait to next year to get into Death Metal, tbh. This year it's all black metal and other random stuff, including more accessible things like Baroness.

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:07 (sixteen years ago)

depends on whether you want tr00 kvlt black metal or the kind the rest of us like ;)

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 18:09 (sixteen years ago)

If its the latter then Liturgy, Krallice, Wolves In The Throne Room all had releases in 2009/2010, but many will tell you BM's glory days were in the early 90s, so perhaps best not to limit yourself to 2010.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 18:11 (sixteen years ago)

Cobalt - Gin.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 18:12 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks! I have last year's Krallice and Wolves In The Throne Room in the queue. Cobalt too. I also have some of the Norwegian stuff: Burzum, Emperor, and Darkthrone.

More or less just looking for anything else that's come out this year -- whether tr00 or not -- that I haven't already picked up yet. For some reason, I've decided to try to "keep up" with black metal, at least for now, which is kind of funny considering how I've barely gotten around to most of what I've purchased so far. Need to hunker down and start listening.

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:13 (sixteen years ago)

As for 2010 black metal, I'm really enjoying the new Nightbringer album.

A. Begrand, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:17 (sixteen years ago)

I read about that somewhere! Probably in Decibel. Maybe I'll head over to the record store to see if they have it later today. Thanks Adrien!

The other thing I'm really looking forward to, which I'm fairly sure is coming out later this month, is the new Yakuza. Have never heard of them before like a week ago--again, might've heard of 'em first from the review in dB--but I'm definitely interested in hearing this one.

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:26 (sixteen years ago)

Black metal geeks, are there any essential 2010 BM records I need to buy that aren't in the following list of stuff I've already purchased?

Xasthur has a new album, too.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 11 June 2010 18:30 (sixteen years ago)

Avoid RPLA though, I just played those youtubes and fucking hell, horrible cult tribute stuff (and i like The Cult). I wasnt reading kerrang when the controversy started but people were still talking about it in the mag etc for years after, but I had no idea what they sounded like. And the answer is - AWFUL!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 18:36 (sixteen years ago)

Hey Adrien, how did you know the Yakuza was going to get such a high score from me? Did the editors tell you, or did you just assume?

X-Wing fighter in hand, "Godzilla" cranked on the stereo (J3ff T.), Friday, 11 June 2010 19:00 (sixteen years ago)

Ah, that was your review! Well, it'll sell at least one copy for the band.

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 19:08 (sixteen years ago)

ilxor, thanks for reminding me! definitely need to grab the Xasthur/Nadler record

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 19:08 (sixteen years ago)

heh, i just got an email from profoundlore about yakuza as i was reading that

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 19:18 (sixteen years ago)

Profound Lore is honored to announce that we will be releasing the new full-length album from Pacific Northwest dark metal band AGALLOCH.

Profound Lore and Agalloch already have a history that goes as far back to the label’s beginnings when we released the original vinyl versions of “Pale Folklore” and “The Mantle” respectively. The band are currently in intense preparation to enter the studio in their hometown of Portland, Oregon and will be spending the entire months of June and July recording the much-anticipated follow-up to 2006’s “Ashes Against The Grain”. There is currently no concrete release date to be announced yet. But in time, said details will eventually be revealed.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 19:20 (sixteen years ago)

Just bought the new Nightbringer and Bathory's Under The Sign Of The Black Mark, the latter for a little bit of much-needed perspective.

ksh, Friday, 11 June 2010 19:21 (sixteen years ago)

To see what will be one of the main inspirations for the new Agalloch album, go here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFmu7BYbthY

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 11 June 2010 19:24 (sixteen years ago)

Hey Adrien, how did you know the Yakuza was going to get such a high score from me? Did the editors tell you, or did you just assume?

Well, I'd had the album for quite some time and have been so blown away by it, I figured the dB review couldn't be anything but glowing. It's one of my faves of the year so far, and I'm glad I was able to do a full-page piece on the band. They deserve it.

A. Begrand, Friday, 11 June 2010 20:25 (sixteen years ago)

fuckin' love Agalloch.

Simon H., Friday, 11 June 2010 20:28 (sixteen years ago)


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