so jaded.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
j-j-j-jaded!
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I used to check the site every day, then last year I started doing Google Reader and plugging in all my favorite sites, so now I only open it if there' a news item particularly interesting. Tho usually those news items are reported by other site feeds around the same time as P4K so sometimes I read about it elsewhere. I rarely read a full review unless there's a funny HRO post about one.
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, I would definitely go back to reading every day if Mark Prindle wrote. He's amazing. I even bought some of his band's CDs (The Low Maintenance Perennials). Damn funny, damn fine lo-fi Ween-style epics!
― Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
for non-metal music writing "big" sites, i read the New York Times music section, the Village Voice music section, and, uh, Pitchfork
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP Stylus
i some blogs and other stuff too tho
beyond that, haven't found too much that interest me in the indiesphere was far as rock writing goes
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I've seen a few people suggest recently that it's in some way mean or cowardly for Pitchfork not to allow people to comment underneath its album reviews, as if (a) this is some entrenched right of the modern internet user and (b) P4K comment boxes wouldn't attract the worst people on earth
As if "Quality of the Comments" is any reason to have or not have comments on a site. Pitchfork is a business that thrives on advertising, and that's largely based on pageviews-- and I can't even begin to imagine how much they could multiply their traffic simply by sticking comment boxes on their shit. Sure, the commenters will incessantly say stupid, idiotic, worthless things, but they're also going to reload those pages thousands of times-- to see how people responded to the stupid, idiotic, worthless things they said.
Pitchfork deliberately choosing to not have comments is one of the most stubborn, boneheaded decisions they continue to make. Yes, the commenters are going to be some of the worst on earth-- but that's the case for pretty much any large site. Meanwhile, every day they go without, it's essentially money out of their pocket.
― Catbird (mbvrc), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe they actually care about maintaing a certain level of quality on their site, and adding comment boxes would diminish that
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
like, as an avid P4k reader, i am very thankful i don't have to see comments boxes all over the place when i go to read their stuff
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ILM rip
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
also, you don't know for sure whether their advertising revenue is tied to pageviews. it could be unique visits or something else
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Alfred I think you should start a music criticism vlog -- see Music Criticism in Video Form for ideas
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ideas like "the needle drop guy is awesome" and "no he sucks"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
croups knows what's up
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i have always said one of the major reasons p4k thrived was that they never added comments.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
ya not shitting up your site for bullshit pageviews is pretty commendable imho.
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm impressed that pfork hasn't gone the way of the comment boxes after all these years. makes it seem more solid, rather than just a free for all. plus, commenters on most websites are the lowest form of life imo (excepting ILM of course). look at any newspaper's site.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, "everyone else is doing it" and "it'd probably make some extra money even though they seem to be doing fine as is" are ridiculous reasons to add something as unnecessary and inherently problematic as a comments section. there is nothing wrong with a publication or media outlet actually controlling what's said on their site by only including what their staff writes, and they should feel no obligation to allow people to comment on their site. there's a whole world out there of blogs and message boards -- including this one -- that can dissect Pitchfork and the music it covers, and no real reason for PF to play host to one itself just to play a pageview game they're already winning. i mean, more NEWSPAPERS could stand to control the content on their sites as well as that little indie rock site does.
― some dude, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
they used to have a mailbag, right? that'd be ok for the laughs. if someone wants to write a well-written response to a review, what the hell.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
oh man the mailbag! totally forgot that ever existed, good times. would be lame to bring that back though imo.
― some dude, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah you could just read stereogum
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
P4k needs a bowling tournament imo
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
some dude otm w/ that longer post btw
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet they could make a ton of money if they had google ads
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/112508/kept-it-real.gif
― Catbird (mbvrc), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread's been going for 8 years, dude. you think it won't be going strong 8 years from now unless they add a comments box?
― some dude, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
it's been, what, four years since "you need comments to monetize your web endeavor" became the industry's paralyzing philosophy? long? i figure if pfork hasn't added them yet, they're probably doing fine, cashflow-wise, though i'm sure scott and ryan appreciate all the amateur hour entrepreneurship tips.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
umbrellas with the p4k logo embroidered on them would be a sure-fire business generator!
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
ya pretty boneheaded that they haven't started that yet!
― NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
also good: personalized coasters.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
J0rdan OTM -- Pfork comment boxes would pretty much look like Stereogum... UGH.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I need matchbooks.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
"for a donation of $500 or more, one of our writers will come to your house and read your favorite review in the voice of either snagglepuss or orko from he-man."
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Never visited Stereogum, not even once. The name sounds like indie rock taffy.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
proud of you
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
THEY SHPOULD DO SOMETHING AS A PATR OF THE CHEESEBURGER NETWORK WITH LIKE ALBUM COVERS AND WE COULD DIGG AND REDDIT HOW COME THEY DONT DIGG AND REDDIT BUT LIKE ALBUM COIVERS WITH CATPOIONS I'M GONNA CALL BENJAMIN HUH BECAUSE THIS IS MONEY THAT THEY AR THROWING AWAY WHY WOULD YOU THROW AWAY MONEY PITCHFORK CHEESEBUR I HAVE CHEESBURGET BUT TAPE AND TAPE
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i might donate $500 if Pat DiNizio, lead singer of The Smithereens, delivers a p4k tote bag to my home.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney's tweeting again, i see.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
dying @ Whiney's post
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.lowter.com/images/blogs/228/addthis_more.png
Furl that Diigo to Link-a-Gogo immediately!
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
WHATIS PITCHFORK FACEBOOK CAMPAIGN DONT THEY KNOW THAT FACEBOOK IS WAY AND I CANNOT SEE SCHRIBER ON FOURSQUARE DOEST HE KNOW FOURSQUARE IS FUTUR SOCIAL MEDIA BRANDING FUTURE WEB 2.0 CLAP YOUR HAND STUPID PITCHFROK THROW AWAY MONEY WITH FORSQUARE TWITTER CAMPAIGGN RETRADS
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
stop.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Never visited Stereogum, not even once.
i don't even own a tv
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Where's Chris Ott when you need him
― Catbird (mbvrc), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4723/33907519.jpg
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Never visited Stereogum, not even once.i don't even own a tv
― ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, June 9, 2010 4:01 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
it is absolutely ridiculous to compare Stereogum to television...you mean Videogum.
― some dude, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
picture me lollin
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9154/88915018.jpg
― ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link