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country is about humility? tell that to extremely well-represented (though declining) macho strain. lots of people don't like the girls acting like boys.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 August 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

what the show really drove home for me, other than that there are certain categories of bands i don't need to see live, is that natalie's persona hooks me as much as the music

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 August 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Frank. I reread while putting the subhed and the Table of Contents out of mind. You're definitely not saying what the Voice says you're saying - which is weird to realize (that the subhed/ToC so completely colored my reading of the article).

As far as the Dylan v. Ashley thing: I was listening to Dylan at Folksinger's Choice in 1962 - which I think Frank would say is still apart of Dylan's teen-pop era (though I always imagine teen-pop Dylan is Blood on Blood, etc). And what makes the bootleg incredible is, of course, the conversation in between the songs. Where Dylan is feeling around, trying to sense his place in music. His songs aren't "folk songs," they're "contemporary songs."

(nervous giggle in conversation after playing Emmitt Till - Interviewer: Have you sang that for Woody Guthrie? Dylan: Nah, I'm gonna sing it for him.)

There's this figuring out that is going on. I think my problem with Ashley Simpson is that she doesn't have the same emptiness of form that she's working into. The stardom she's trying for has already been mapped out - either by Dylan, or by Madonna, or by her older sister. I don't think you can discount the novel, or the new. Even if Simpson can completely recreate Dylan's ballads, or join him in the Romantic tradition, at best she'll only be the second person to have done so.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

reminds me that on Sheryl Crow & Friends, the live Central Park concert, Chicks more than hold their own with Derek, Keef, etc., esp. swinging "Tombstone Blues" (go go,Natalie, go). And, re my prev post waaay back there, where I mentioned 1990 John Doe as seeming like "pioneer of the late Hat template," and Tim McGraw doing Ryan Adams's "When The Stars Go Blue," then I listene to Exene's old Old Wives Tales, and damn if (in 1989, I think it says) she(with some harmonies) isn't doing something like Chicks' Home, with the dark pop and implications (great on the verse-to-chorus jolt of "A Home," xpost Morty!) "Coyote On The Town" is even like the Chicks x Doors (which reminds me that the Chicks may not have been so wise to go for all-original material this time). I think Frank's point was not that Ashlee is the New Dylan etc; who knows what she'll do, but even if she disappears tomorrow, she's(like previous early New Dylans, like early 70s Bruce and Loudon) made effective use of that 11th grade notebook, etc., that kind of thinking that made Dylan so effective, in terms of his own writing and its effect on vast Baby Boom, America's mass adolescence of thee (like, sorry) Sixtees. Made him, period, careerwise. Also why his concerts are still all-ages shows, the ones I've been to (starting in the 70s).

bamallama (dow), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

eh, bamallama is me. Wouldn't be so surprising if Chicks, esp Natalie into Exene solo, and maybe with X (who were prob into that xpost "Tombstone Blues" too). Considering for inst that they've covered Maria McKee, and when Daddy Lloyd played the hiring/firing foresisters a tape of Nat singing Maria's "Echo Beach," they told him to bring her in so they could sign her up. (for more on Maria and that song, see my ancient "Alias In Wonderland" in Voice)(another "Wonderland" cowgirl, Austraila's Cyndi Boste, just sent me a new album, whoohoo!)

don (dow), Sunday, 6 August 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

and now that you mention Sgt. Pepper's, it feels like Home (unrest)(not that you couldn't say that about a lot of things, and certainly Home doesn't include atonal guitar blasts in their version of these albums' shared art pop chamber insomnia, but both are sleepers still; didn't rate them at first,not beyond Appreciation, but they're growing on me, all these years ago)

don (dow), Monday, 7 August 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

just came by to say how much i love that Robert Earl Keen Live At The Ryman (The Greatest Show Ever Been Gave) album. I'd never heard him before! But part of me feels like this was the perfect introduction. I love the songs and playing so much. Definitely one of my albums of the year. "Gringo Honeymoon", "Merry Christmas From The Family", "Corpus Christi Bay". Such swell songs. I'll have to sift thru this monster thread to see if anyone talked about it.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, every time he came through town, we always sold a bunch of his albums, and had to keep some in stock anyway, cos he was always being discovered.

don (dow), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

haha the same is true in athens, great act.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

One of those sneaky performers I guess; nothing very flamboyant about his delivery, but maybe it's the contrast with for inst the verses of "The Party Never Stops" (Joe Ely does a good version of that too).

don (dow), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

He writes really good songs! they are funny and clever AND fun to sing along with. what more could you ask for? pathos and tears, i guess. although he does have his serious side on the album. but nothing beats singing along to "FARM FRESH ONIONS!!!!".

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

pleeze tell me anthony doesn't get an e-mail every time someone posts on this thread. i just noticed that.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

what now, do I seem like I'm damning REK with faint praise? Not meant at all (xpost pickin' on English and something else I was called on--my life is shit!)

don (dow), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 03:55 (nineteen years ago)

nope i dont

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

i have in my possesion the best of jason mccoy cd, its got all the songs i recommended, adn listenign to it again, its going to be my reissue of the year (roadhamemrs dude)

anyone want a burn?

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Just in case some of you don't look at the larger board, you should take a look at this thread. Brief summary so far: ilX probably moving to a new server in the next two or three weeks, though possibly will stay where it is. Will probably stay the same format. Unclear if current threads (like this one) will be able to keep going or will be archived - in which case we can simply start a new one. Worst scenario would be that ilX dies altogether, in which case we could find somewhere else to reinvent this thread (though finding a place with single pages and no subthreads - which is one thing that makes ilX so much better than anywhere else - may be a problem). Anyway, just posting this so we can keep our eye on that thread and on developments.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

Josh Ritter, the more i listen to he new album, the more i love him--and i think its because he doesnt try to be weird

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Leann Rimes's new pop album out in Europe, apparently not yet coming out in the States; I wasn't aware of this til now; anybody heard it?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000FO45Z2/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/104-7532074-2415914?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)


xhuxk, nope, but her husband was spotted at a nashville gay bar last week.

Published on Poptimist:
Jason McCoy, here, has a lurid, desperate, self loathing quality, and the song is obsessed about a woman who "aint missing missing him". The track has a tabloid restraint, where silences replacing details, and loud noise work in the place of sexual explicitness.

Listen to how he sings two lines at the one minute mark--where McCoy talks about a lover doing things he dont, and wont. He gives a long space of rangy, wiry guitar, before adding the word anymore. In those seconds, our minds grow any large with all sorts of decay. Anymore suggests they did that kind of decadence together.

McCoy does this kind of song well because he still believes in sin (there is a song on this album called I Feel a Sin Coming On) but also pleasure. The two break apart into something wilder then much standard country, and even his most tender ballads have an isolating despair.

From his greatest hits.

YSI here

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

what, where did you hear that about leann's husband, anthony?

I haven't heard "Whatever We Wanna," the new non-US Rimes CD. I know she's got the #1 song in, like, Taiwan. (and there's a fairly nondescript but still interesting little thing on her on MusicCityNews.com.) the last I had heard, she was working with the producer Dan Huff on a new record; and I've heard she plans to release something next year. "Whatever" is on WEA International, and I'll see if I can track down someone to get me a copy. (And wow, she looks sexier 'n usual on the cover...sexier than Tanya Tucker, to me...)

I told Don this--I interviewed Shelly Fairchild this week, she's playing some of her new material here on the 19th and I wanted to take that opportunity to do a short preview of that show. She's been gone from Sony for a while, about a year, and is writing songs which she says are more pop, more funky, and apparenly has recorded, and will do, a cover of a Mother's Finest song whose title she wouldn't reveal. One of the writers she's working with is Richie Supa, I believe it is, who's written hits for Aerosmith...and she's been recording, and will be shopping. Sounded real smart, real canny, and enough of a sense of humor to tell me that she's tough on bands, apparently--her band quit on her ten minutes before a Billy Block radio show here about a year ago.

That Willmon piece I did is in the Scene this week--I don't have the link right here, but you can also check out Tracy Moore's nice coverstory on the olden days of '80s Nashville rock scene, including some nice stuff on Jason and the (Nashville) Scorchers. Brings back memories, since I was here and hung out at those clubs, seeing X and the dB's and the Scorchers (the latter who were ferociously good the couple times I saw 'em...)

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

has recorded, and will do, a cover of a Mother's Finest song

Wow, that's totally badass.

Here are Mother's Finest, if you doubt me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQV0pVi0y0

xhuxk (xheddy), Thursday, 10 August 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

id reveal my sources, but it would be rather embarassing (Perez Hilton)

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

just came by to say how much i love that Robert Earl Keen Live At The Ryman

i didn't even know he had another live album out. i think that makes 3 or 4 of those for him. probably the best way to hear him, tho -- he's more fun live, his studio albums can be a little draggy.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

gypsy, now that yr here, did that orrin hatch info work out?

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, thanks anthony. i had to condense like crazy because the thing was mostly quotes from his songs, but yr info pointed me toward the whole mormon patriotic hymn tradition. the article's still online, but it's gone behind the subscribers-only wall. i can email you a copy if you want.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

i would

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Video for LeAnn's "And It Feels Like", the British single. First impression is that this is powerful but maybe trapped too much in her deep register, and not as catchy as "Dancin' In The Moonlight" (and not as flat-out intense as my favorite ballad of hers, "No Way Out").

Video for LeAnn's "Strong", the German single, which is strong, a power ballad. Again, not a good enough song, though a good performance, goes loud without oversinging.

I like these more than her recent few country singles.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Um, that should have been "not as catchy as 'Can't Fight the Moonlight'."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

"And It Feels Like" is packing a wallop on second listen, more than "Strong." LeAnn does a great Kelly Clarkson look of despair in the video. I think the video is very good, throwing her into the world of class and paparrazi - but, you know, like a celeb, she suffers. Celebs are supposed to suffer.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

A YouTuber set LeAnn Rimes "Headphones," from the new album, as the soundtrack to this video. The song is meant to be bright and catchy but she uses her dark, pained voice in it. I'll need to listen a few times to decide if it works.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Um, the video is not safe for work.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

thanks for those links, Frank. I suppose now I need to figure out exactly what's up with her, and this in'nat'l ablum...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 10 August 2006 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

You didn't like seeing X, Edd? I'm still writing about them, so any thoughts etc.(Anthony, xxhuxx, anybody: Catholic country? I know, guilt x desire, but more spee-cific, also other aspects, imagery, etc) Now to check yr Willmon, Edd (this way, please)

don (dow), Friday, 11 August 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

i havent spent much time thniking about X

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 August 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

Catholic themes/imagery etc. in country was more what I was asking you and xhuxx about, or whomever; X just had me wondering about that, since they seem to have been influenced by Catholicism and country, among other things, of course. Anyway, really well-doneancient history of Nashville punk, in this week's N.Scene, as Edd mentioned. Great that they got the different people, esp. adventurous club-starters, and the writers of course, not just the musos. And so long, just the right length! How often does that happen any more in the Real Press, damn. Good forensics from Edd on Trent (they should have a show about a squad of investigative rock critics, all dressed in black, and all with the latest enjoyabilty detection equipment,capable of scanning to the quark level and beyond, like it takes these days). I'd forgotten that Costello song he quotes, "A year after they were married, he smashed her plates/now he's in prison, and she's running with his mates." A couple of implied puns, seems like: he thinks, on some level, he's got license to do that (cos marriage license), and now maybe he's making license plates, to make up for smashing hers. But yeah, Elvis did used to seem a bit labored with the popolgy, a little bit clinical, even the way he recorded some of those good songs on This Year's Model. But then he did learn to sing later, but still it's tricky for him, so can see the comparison with Willmon and many others in the Nashville lab. Oversings while trying to convince you he's understated, eh? Yeah, a lot of that going around. At least Toby never tried that; even or especially when he got real sincere, he forthrightly hit a high one out of the park, or into the breeze. Speaking of Trent's insecure macho, and Toby's, I'm of course reminded of my shit, to wit (brief review of Pull My Chain): http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0222,allred,3510,22.html

don (dow), Friday, 11 August 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

i always thot that country was almost exculisvey protesant

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 August 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

There's the whole Country 'n' Irish subgenre of course, but I don't suppose that has much coverage over there (it doesn't in the UK either) and is probably beside the point. But it's fair to assume it's predominantly Catholic.

I bought the Lone Official LP and have tried twice to listen to it. It sounds lovely, but both times I have reacted so badly to the fellow's voice that I've had to play something else. This never happens to me (I am after all a Britisher, so I'm used to people who can't sing; also I listened to lots of British indie in the 1980s so I learned to actvely like people who can't sing).

Tim (Tim), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

Catholic themes/imagery etc. in country

Wow, great question. Are we allowed to count Jon Bon Jovi yet? (I can't even remember what his Catholic imagery was, off hand, but I remember I wrote about it in the Voice once while reviewing his solo album connected to a cowboy movie he did around the turn of the '90s, Blaze of Glory or whatever.) Also you'd think maybe a little of Springsteen's papism would've seeped into country somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Also, there is of course the great nation of Mexico, duh (though Latin America is increasingly veering Protestant, apparently, thanks to infestation by evangelist missionaries, what the hell?) I gotta give this some more thought.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

Also Jody a/k/a "Joe Dee" Messina is an Italian gal from Boston who changed her name to protect the sacraments, right? Or something like that.

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

OK, here's one from CDbaby (looks like he has three CDs up there):

http://cdbaby.com/cd/mmcdermott2

And a Nashville myspace guy who lists "getting kicked out of Catholic shool in Richmond" as one of his influences:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=68394213

It should probably be noted here, however, that Peter Steinfels' highly recommended A People Adrift: The Crisis of the Roman Catholic Church in America (which I've been slowly plugging through around bedtime all summer) refers to a polemic published in 1990 by liberal Newport, Rhode Island liturgical musician Thomas Day called Why Catholics Can't Sing. So be forewarned.

Also, not country; but what the hell?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/nickalexander2

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha. closest thing to a country song he parodies seems to be bob seger's "old time rock and roll" (and "old time gregorian chant"):

http://www.nickalexander.com/

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

the books good xhuxk--i keep meaning to read it?

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

Is Rosanne Cash Catholic? This great Rob Sheffield piece suggests she might be, but I have no idea whether any rosaries or confession booths have ever showed up in her lyrics:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0111,sheffield,23030,22.html

>one of the weird things about growing up Irish American is that the Italian kids had all the rock stars. They had Madonna Ciccone and John Bongiovi and Aerosmith's Steven Tallarico, even Roseanne Liberto Cash on the country side of the dial. They cleaned up their names, they dressed up funny, they unlocked their bel canto sweet-emotion voices, and it was all gravy to the proverbial goose. What did Irish kids have? Well, there was Joe Walsh. And the Mahoney boy, Eddie Money, and let's see who else . . . uh, that Joe Walsh sure could play, couldn't he? The Italian kids had Pat Benatar. We were stuck with Laura Branigan. <

So, um...Did Dion Dimucci ever cross over country?

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

And what about New Orleans? That's all Catholic, right? (They even have parishes!) Surely some country's come out of there, sometime...

xhuxk (xheddy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Dion, oh hell yes, when he started his career *all* over, like in The Wanderers, when the guido follows the girl over to the other side of the Village, and watches her go into a coffee house, where a certain harmonica is wheezing...Dion maybe was the idea for that scene, cos long before it was written (or at least published), he went in there, and sang some blues and some Hank Williams too, and did albums of both. Eventually, of course, he went on to "Abraham,Martin, And John," and maybe he went Protestant too, when he was recording for Word or whichever Christian label it was. But he's still Dion, and does a variety of songs (heard him do some new ones on Fresh Air a couple years ago, sounded great). Yeah, lots of Catholicism in New Orleans, and certainly figures in N.O. novels like A Confederacy Of Dunces, The Movie-Goer, etc. And James Agee's another great Southern Catholic writer; went to that boys' school in Nashville, or was it Memphis? Setting of his novel The Morning Watch; andseveral novels were written by alumni of the Catholic school/community in Cullman, AL (small town pretty much started by a German order, and prob some Catholicism in those Texas towns with Teutonic and Slavic names, maybe with interesting relationships to those Mexican churches across the tracks).Plus, like I wrote about in Why Music Sucks, my father, although def. Southern Baptist was sent to Catholic school, cos it was good and also across the street. But lighting struck the steeple, the whole thing burned down, and my grandmother found my father kneeling before the conflagration,, clutching his beads and saying his rosaries. So she put him in public school, and later he became a Bapist preacher, fulltime, but I think his early education (and its firey demise) left its mark on him, and thus maybe on me.But the *musical* effect--hey, maybe Leonard Cohen! He went Dylanesque-late-60s-early-70s country, and even stole Charlie Daniels and some others from Dylan, and certainly some Catholic images and vibes in a lot of songs from that era. Thanks for the links, xxhuxx, not sure how many to check out while finishing my X homework, but I'll at least follow up. (John and Exene both b. IL in early-to-mid-50s, both did teen time in Baltimore and St. Petersburg/Tallahassee respectively; both raised Catholic, apparently: his orig name seems French, and hers literally Bohemian, and they both into the cool, so Kerouac and Warhola? And then they get to L.A. and meet/are taken around by/perform with Chris D., author of Bongo Chalice etc.)

don (dow), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

(and some Music Rower must have cribbed from Flannery O'Connor at some point, or there's no justice in this world)("depends on the Judge, " she'd prob say)

don (dow), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

Both "hillbilly" and "red neck" were originally used against Irishmen.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Lorrie Morgan is Catholic.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

has anyone seen the 9 minute kenny chesney video opus, where he has a gun, and is in mexico, and such other things?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)


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