theo parrish s/d

my favorite ugly edits are the wonky ones a la d.byrd loop/"got a match?" dialogue etc

I've had the 2xCD version for five days now, and I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and declare it a masterpiece. He definitely made it to be listened to as an album, shortening and mixing together many of the previously released tracks and with interludes/bridges all over the album. And while I absolutely want the new tracks to be released on vinyl, I'm glad that he released all of this as essentially two mixed cds. Of the new stuff, I have to say that "Black Music (I Love You)", "Love Triumphant" (this one may easily become an all-time favorite), "Sundown Town", and "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit". Incredible release.

Um, this part:

Of the new stuff, I have to say that "Black Music (I Love You)", "Love Triumphant" (this one may easily become an all-time favorite), "Sundown Town", and "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit".

Should be:

Of the new stuff, I have to say that "Black Music (I Love You)", "Love Triumphant" (this one may easily become an all-time favorite), "Sundown Town", and "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit" really stand out.

i saw him out two weekends ago, the last hour or so of his set was just straight theo productions, new and old. he really is an exceptional dj, even if his mixing can be pretty iffy

Yes I agree. I've only seen him dj once, but spotless mixing is really not the point (neither in his dj sets nor his productions actually). He has an incredible way of making you move, though.

"a slow lurching shuffley house groove replete with out of time massively swung hi hats and a guy singing "we're going downstairs, we're going downstairs" or something for like 15 minutes."

assuming you figured this out by now?

my question is: why should i care? is this when theo jumps the shark?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/unclebutta/TheoHuxtablemessedupshirtCosbyShow.jpg

alright, alright! i jumped, ok?

"assuming you figured this out by now?

my question is: why should i care? is this when theo jumps the shark?

-- moonship journey to baja"

what are you talking about?

we're going downstairs? who cares?

I'm as dedicated to Theo as one can be and I have to agree with vahid on this one. I'm pretty certain I wish "Goin Downstairs," "Stomp Yo Feet," and maybe even "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit" were all dubs. In each of these, I feel like the vocals distract from what the track is doing and don't really add anything of interest (to me). Still really like the album, but I realized yesterday that I want those three to not have the vocal stuff going on. That is decidedly not the case with "They Say" and "Soul Control" however.

so the CD labeled "CD 1" contains the tracks labeled "CD 2" in the booklet, and vice versa

does that make mine collectible?

Nah, I think they're all like the vahid. Discogs mentions it and mine's that way too.

wow, i don't know what to say about that but that "going downstairs" track is completely bananas. i think it was Rick Wilhite who dropped it at DEMF last year, it was one of the highlights of the festival. at the time, i didn't know who it was that did it, it was only when the CD came out that i finally could ID it. it is a dancefloor monster.

Don't get me wrong, I still love the track just not the vocals.

finally got my fancy stereo unpacked and set up after moving, had the first chance to listen to the new album in an, uh, acoustically favorable setting (ie not on an ipod, car stereo or boombox) ... and fuck, it's goooood.

"love triumphant" is incredible, but i couldn't even *hear* the african percussion until now. definitely a devil-in-the-details type of track.

wow @ "cry freedom" speech in "sundown town"

Yeah, "Love Triumphant" has definitely ascended to the upper echelon of Theo tracks in short order. Still loving the album as a whole.

Just in case interested parties haven't seen this, here's another potentially controversial statement from Theo: http://www.moodmat.com/?p=977

Pipecock's blog has some discussion here:
http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/07/14/interesting-interview-with-theo-parrish/

Dissensus has some discussion here:
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=7992

"The curtain that supposedly hides all this is the bullshit illusion that dance music has no race, no gender, that its about the celebration of some sort of utopian concept. This mere notion wasn’t even circulated until some white folks were made to feel uncomfortable at a party they had no business being at, and came face to face with the fact that this music like all other music is originated on african/black experience, and that perhaps they were very much like every other Elvis and Eminem that ever came or went, That perhaps they too, are tourists, but they still want to be superstar-dj-such-and-such."

I love Theo like crazy but really dude WTF

"this music, like all other music, is originated on african / black experience" - whatever dude.

No one on ILX really believes this, right?

Ronan weighs in: http://ronanfitzgerald.net/houseisafeeling/2008/07/15/theo-parrish-interview/

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport

nice work ronan

i do enjoy theo's pts about using afros on album covers and sending bitten work to the artists you bite from as a 'tribute' tho

Ronan, do you write for White Guilt Monthly?

Not to derail this fine thread about Theo and his music, but really, reading that, I didn't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you.

The only climbdown from all this relativism is that I think a black person really does have more of a right to comment on cultural appropriation or discrimination than a white person

What about a white Jew? How about a white homosexual?

why are you even reading this thread

I don't feel guilty about being white, just a bit cautious about commenting on what a black person should think about how they are treated by white people.

I know that raises issues of sitting on the fence, I don't like either position to be honest.

What do you think about the Theo piece Mr Airport? It's pretty easy to criticise in this without setting out a stall.

I love Theo (though not feeling the new one as much as some folks here) despite his dumb ass opinions. I ain't mad at him. House music needs shit disturbers. I'm glad he's expressing himself, at the very least.

really the question is why the fuck would anyone want to appropriate anything from Jews?

as a homo, i sometimes get a little miffed that people have no fcking clue about the real roots of a lot of disco and house music, but as long as those performing it do-- dude from Hercules and Love Affair has done interview with BUTT magazine, for example-- i can't care less.

that said, i agree with theo about a lot of what he says.

House music needs shit disturbers. I'm glad he's expressing himself, at the very least.

people keep saying this, and maybe it's true, but the so called shit disturbers in dance music almost always end up just backing up dumb negative opinions instead of dumb positive ones.

why can't we have a few genuine contrarians who come out and combine diametrically opposite views and genuinely challenge people....in techno a "shit disturber" seems to be any one of the 100 producers a year who does some bitchy interview about the genre du jour, OR A GUY FROM DETROIT.

sounds like one paranoid ass motherfucker that got baited by theakston into putting some dumb generalizations on the record

who is theakston anyways? if you're gonna do a "one question interview" aka give him a good rope you should at least insert a byline.

i think that the UR guys are shit disturbers to the max, and though they certainly have similar talking points to theo's, they're much more positive and inclusive.

I totally disagree.....I think it's a stuck record.

what's more....these guys ARE the status quo! they are the shit! (no negative aspersions intended)

Once they get it ready to put out, they’ll use pictures of little black children, and black women with afros- things they never could be, and never have been -on their cover art to help complete the illusion of having a truly down, soulful product to offer the market. Sometimes they’ll outright sample YOUR song, and copy your drumpattern, send it to a magazine and some adjective limited writer will say the copy sounds ’so-and-so esque’, never making that artist stand on their own, letting the thief who made it ride on the back of original artists.

so, who's this? i think definitely trus'me, but who else?

who is theakston anyways? if you're gonna do a "one question interview" aka give him a good rope you should at least insert a byline.

Some random dude who used to be Carl Craig's right-hand man at Planet E and helped establish both the DEMF and Ghostly.

oh i just read ronan's piece, good point, renders my question sort of moot

(BTW: "Theakston" = anagram for Totes Khan, his birth name.)

by the way, anyone else totally agree with pipecock's recent post about how much Planet-E has completely declined into major suck territoy?

really the question is why the fuck would anyone want to appropriate anything from Jews?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Berlin

okay, Irving Berlin aside?

by the way, anyone else totally agree with pipecock's recent post about how much Planet-E has completely declined into major suck territoy?

-- the table is the table

yeah, what the hell's with all of this new euro crap. bring back the real detroit shit, like, uh, ibex and jason hogans.

stick your neck out and blast the 4 or 5 planet e releases a year

why is he putting out euro-leaning tech-house when he could be putting out records by common factor, agent x and e-dancer?

"world hold on" (c2 remix #4)

really the question is why the fuck would anyone want to appropriate anything from Jews?

???

"yeah, what the hell's with all of this new euro crap. bring back the real detroit shit, like, uh, ibex and jason hogans.

-- moonship journey to baja"

the jason hogans records are not my favorite, but those Ibex records are both the hotness. Tony Ollivera is the shit, a highly underrated producer. his records on his own Dynamite Soul label are no joke either, neither are the DJ Genesis records he put out. i actually have a post about the new Ibex 12" he put out a few months back in the pipeline at ISM, that shit flew way under everyone's radar yet still manages to be better than almost every other techno record this year.

go ahead and keep clowning on shit you don't know about. the only one wearing a red nose and big floppy shoes is you.

"why is he putting out euro-leaning tech-house when he could be putting out records by common factor, agent x and e-dancer?

-- moonship journey to baja"

again showing your lack of knowledge. i just played that Agent X record on friday night, it is one of the best dancefloor Planet E's not by carl or recloose. of course Agent X is Mike Clark, only one of the best deejays on the planet and one of the people behind the Beatdown Sounds comps. he has only been putting out excellent records since 1992, you should probably clown on him and go buy Martin Buttrich records instead. the common factor records on Planet E are very nice as well, never been a fan of Saunderson's E Dancer project but i wouldnt call the records bad by any means.