― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link
(My EDITOR ought to be doing this sort of thing...)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alicia Fucking Silverstone (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...), July 11th, 2006.
All due respect to you and Dan, but saying "that guy can't sing!" and "how tedious!" are two of the least interesting observations to be made about Metal Box and The Flowers of Romance. The latter is one of the most out-there breakup albums ever recorded.
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6F0D4EDC2718739D
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Marcello, perhaps while he's cleaning up the "Albatross" paragraph, you can get him to help you with an entry on Edward III's theory that Flowers of Romance is the most out there break up album in history. I'd be extremely interested in reading that.
Still, I'm w/ Mark: "Albatross" doesn't sound a thing like Mr. John Wardle.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:55 (seventeen years ago) link
My first copy of "Commercial Zone" was a cassette, and this started with the instrumental "The Slab" as side one, so with that you have one long wait (until track three) with totally unfamiliar PIL music, ten minutes in and you could convince yourself there'd been a mistake.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 06:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Why?
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Jesus Dan (djperr...), July 12th, 2006.
As Ned would say, we're entering ninja of the obvious territory.
― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alicia Fucking Silverstone (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Guess I wasn't sufficiently clear; saying "that guy can't sing!" and "how tedious!" about PiL is akin to saying "Phillip Glass is repetitious," "Sonic Youth is noisy," or "The Beastie Boys are obnoxious." The band's making a clear + conscious decision to operate in a certain manner; observing that they're abrasive and difficult listening doesn't do much aside from pointing out the obvious.
Hope you're being ironic when you say something "sucks" immediately preceding an accusation of making lazy blanket assertions!
― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot 4-Tay: You are beautiful, and you are alone. (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot 4-Tay: based on my memories of the one listen I gave it 19 years ago (mar, Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alicia Fucking Silverstone (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 July 2006 06:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 07:44 (seventeen years ago) link
I'd say this was patently untrue until punk broke in the mainstream.
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Maybe you were posting under another name and my quick skimming of the thread failed me, but I thought all of your comments were about Lydon's voice and singing capability except for one where you agreed that the album is tedious!
Is there really any reason that someone who heard an album once, nearly twenty years ago, can give any opinion that goes further than "I thought it was ok / I didn't like it"? I wouldn't be surprised if the singing and a sense of tedium are really all you remember, which is still pretty damn good for a couple decades.
― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Carol Channing was always more of a character performer than a SINGER and she was doing this in an arena where character voices are commonplace; I don't have a problem with her but she's not my favorite performer in the world.
2 + 2 = ???
There is a post upthread where I state that I didn't think PiL gelled until they released the generic album. One could deduce from that that I don't think PiL did anything particularly great before then and, due to the subject of my other posts, the overriding reason is because the people involved didn't know what to do with Lydon's limited voice.
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link
haha xpost
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link
what did THEY do with it on generic dan?
― molly (bulbs), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link
That said, due to sound issues among other things, I had been hunting around on ebay off and on for the last year or so to pick this album up in the original format. Well, that and I think the film cannister packaging would look really nice next to my other records and it succeeds as a conversation piece. So I started this thread back up hoping that someone had seen or listened to the reissue. Then I promptedly bought it anyway, because I'm dumb like that.
Admittedly, once someone asks to actually hear the album, there's no way in hell I'm going to toss on something like Albatross or Chant first since Lydon's caterwauling is grating and they're pretty tedious. Other points on the album really benefit from the looseness, though, and the stretch from Swan Lake to Graveyard at the core of the album (or as a couple sides on the vinyl, I don't have the breakdown of what's on each side handy) make for a compelling reason to not throw out the record.
― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Thursday, 13 July 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Mostly, I think the instrumental arrangements are much, much stronger and support the stuff Lydon's doing vocally. Also I really, really, really like the guitar work on that album.
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 13 July 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alicia Fucking Silverstone (sexyDancer), Thursday, 13 July 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link