But that's the media's fault.
blaming the press for her ridiculousness is sort of a cop-out
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, sorry, mayas image is as much her fault as it is the medias
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just trying to think, re some dude's point, how she's been depicted as knowledgeable and engaged. Maybe I missed an article or two. Like I said upthread, she's as much a spokesperson for Third World rage as Madonna for Catholic repression.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean hirschberg quotes the sri lankan activist whos like, "maya is making the situation worse"
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
without having to search out specific interviews, the fact that a democracy activist has a strong opinion abt the real-world effects of her posturing tells me that shes selling herself in a certain way
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
imo if you causally drop genocide and personally getting shot at into your interviews you should know what the fuck you're talking about but hey it's just pop right?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:58 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark
when did we start talking about hillary clinton, amirite
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe Madonna's a more useful influence than we think. Anyone here around in 1986 -- when the media depicted Madonna as a Serious Artist knowledgeable and engaged on any number of subjects: teen pregnancy, Catholicism, and whatnot? Obviously the analogies crumble after a while. Madonna even then was a more conventional songwriter in the verse-chorus-verse sense than M.I.A. But she pissed off or confused a lot of people because she seemed to be making a hash out of the Serious Issues her songs and videos were about (I know a few fortysomethings have never actually forgiven her for it). As for me, it's easier from the safety of distance to see that she was just an artist of unusually strong appetites who used teen pregnancy, Catholicism, celibacy, and whatnot as the carapace behind which she created a handful of delirious pop moments.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sure that just seems different to me tho--and it gets at why maya is so much more galling than a dork like bono who believes in world peace--the shit she is exploiting is actually completely horrible.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
So is pregnancy if you're sixteen.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
::sigh:: not on the level of thousands of people getting killed in a decades-long political conflict but sure ok
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
plus Madonna incorporating totally commonplace middle America issues/problems into her music and videos is really not going to steer the general public perception of those issues the way virtually the only famous Sri Lankan in U.S./U.K. music is going to steer the image and understanding of that country.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link
The lesson here is we shouldn't expect too much from our Italian-American and Sri Lankan musical avatars.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean just because you can come up with a halfway clever analogy doesn't make it magically steamroll over every detail that doesn't parallel at all (xpost)
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:08 (thirteen years ago) link
ffs, how many MIA fans could point out Sri Lanka on a map? xp
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't expect it to, dude.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
it's nice that you don't expect anyone to do or say anything of worth, even yourself. it must be very freeing.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
damn
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
how the fuck are you extrapolating this from what I've written?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
It's nice that you can't have an adult conversation. It must be liberating.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
gotta say it's bizarre to ascribe shit like that to alfred who ime is usually one of the most reasonable ppl in these types of discussions
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link
also irony @ some dude defending shakey mo from similar cheap zings upthread
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link
haha sorry man it just felt like you came back to "this doesn't bother me but then i don't expect much from M.I.A./Madonna/pop stars/my own pet theories" as this frustrating retort to bounce off anything anyone said.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/images/MIA.jpg
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
man i get real tired of this whole "its a pop star -- let them be as stupid as they want" kinda defense
― its like why GROCERY BAG and not saddam? (deej), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
me 2
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmMGYv3mag
man i get real tired of this whole "its a politician -- let them sing as badly as they want" kinda defense
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
No. By all means call them out for stupidities in their private lives and incoherences in their music. I'm just offering a less...manichean view.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah but isn't it the case that when it's somebody we dig, we make all manner of excuses - pop stars are just people - name the # of people you know who aren't dumb shits at least half the time - zero unless you were friends with Mother Teresa iirc - let he who does not have at least a hundred posts he'd delete himself if he could cast the 1st stone
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Dom's take on this is quite funny, for those who miss the man put out to Athenian exile.
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
jd i don't know many ppl who make a pretty lucrative living by being dumb shits cuz hey it pays the bills (not that they need the money lol) and who cares if some poor ppl get fucked they got an image to maintain/desperately keep alive and the press loves it (except when they don't in which case you should act like a petulant douchebag). do you?
― balls, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
who is balls
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the question that had to be asked
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link
blunt iirc
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i mean blount, actual typo and not going for easy joke
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
James?
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait who is getting fucked by her stupidity?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
thx some d00d
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:48 PM
ben whatshisname
― am0n, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Franklin
― ksh, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
bronfman! i'm reading this book about prohibition and how the o.g. bronfmans were smugglers and scary motherfuckers before they bough seagrams and went legit
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Feel bad for poor fucked Ben Bronfman.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
umm no - it's just like, really? we're mad at mia because her brand of being a pop star with nothing of particular value to say is somehow more offensive than any other pop star's vacuity? also, why are you so hostile to me since you came back, I thought we was bros
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.observer.com/2010/media/lynn-hirschbergs-response-mia-tweet-fairly-unethical-and-infuriating
― am0n, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
btw in case you were wondering who the piece was directed at, from my fb:
J****** S****** P***** MIA is vile. lies! I feel violated.7 minutes ago · Comment · Like
J****** S****** P*****but, you know, I still like her music.6 minutes ago
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
goodnight, guys
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
peace
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
who's 'mad' at mia? i don't even know mia! saw the 'controversy', saw the funny hirschberg response, saw the pharrell quote, laffed, glanced at ilx, saw the groupie slurping here, commenced rolling eyes. totally able to deal w/ remarkably stupid professional provocateurs and their sycophants w/out getting emotional or heavily invested: paul broun is my congressman.
― balls, Friday, 28 May 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
wait mia's groupies are getting slurped???
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link