Gaga won't bite, she's had MONTHS and hasn't responded to Grace Jones beef, so...
JD, not my experience as such - I was away at college when it happened - but anyone who'd fuck over Lori B is a creep for realz.
― when the fertilizer hits the ventilator (suzy), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
move gaga move
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:16 (fourteen years ago) link
assuming gagalang jokes have been made already
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
i would think that the fact that she actually sells some records would be the thing that makes gaga the bigger star but what do i know
― CUSE EX MACHINA (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
lol @CourtneyLoveUK is now all "got ur back sister" on the Twitters
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
how mean is the actual nyt piece?
― django weingart (samosa gibreel), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i was trying to make some kinda jethro tull gagalung joke then i was all wtf am i doing w.my life
― m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link
it's really kind of subtly mean - Joan Didion would have written the definitive dismissal around the same issues I think but this one isn't so confident
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link
she just kinda sits back and waits for maya to contradict herself. it is mean, no doubt.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Didion is subtler about balancing disdain and admiration.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know if this NYT piece is quite in control of its effects.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link
to the extent that we can even conceive of an ink-stained wretch as "mean" to a billionaire-by-marriage international pop star, i suppose the piece has done its job
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link
MIA would never call a 13 year old on the ellen show and tell him to follow his dreams... mores the pity...
she has all this press to actually get across a legimate pov of tamil and just come up looking like hipster lolzzz and i have met 20 something girls with fringes who consider her their RATM.
+ that pic up there of the fries etc is how her new tracks makes me feel.
― kumar the bavarian, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost like, "meanness" requires a certain power imbalance to be perceived as such
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
she has all this press to actually get across a legimate pov of tamil
is this her obligation? Serious question. I guess we're entering much-trod terrain here: how coherently do we expect artists to discuss politics when most of them just exploit?
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
if the objective of the piece is to signal to the world outside of ILX that This Is Not A Serious Person, i'd take ILX discussion of "meanness" as an index of its effectiveness in that project
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
i just re-read the courtney love piece, and this seems meaner than that.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
except that had accusations of actual harmful shit
I would sub "awe" for admiration, but yeah - Didion gives respect to those qualities which she could not begin to imagine in herself; it is one of her most towering strengths as a writer; a monster, for her, is that which she understands but is only willing to judge with reservations most of the time
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
and yeah obv as a stylist there is nobody living within a hundred yards of Didion
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Thursday, 27 May 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link
aerosmith, I miss you.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^real talk re: Didion
― emotionally abusive jowls (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:03 (fourteen years ago) link
bringing up Didion is sorta not fair to other writers
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
alfred I miss you too - mixed a delightful gin drink tonight and thought "man, Lord Sotosyn would appreciate this, I bet"
― in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Real talk.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
And make her more, shall we say, circumspect.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Naw dude, she doesn't have a cock, didn't you hear.
― kkvgz, Friday, 28 May 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link
it's pretty obvious from Shakey's post that he meant more Gaga not responding makes her look more dignified and not that he actually thinks there's a question of who's the bigger star, but y'know why get in the way of any excuse for a zing
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I think we all know what M.I.A. has to do now (A: do an interview with John Mayer)
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link
She's turning 35 years old in a month, FWIW.
This article is hilarious, and depressing. But M.I.A. has *always* been full of shit and shitty contradictions - and with the really basic stuff ("Kate Moss in ads for mascara / Don't sell out to be product pushers!" --> M.I.A. is the new face of Marc Jacobs within weeks!). None of this should be particularly surprising.
Oh, and Costa Gavras' son seems like a champ, too.
― Becky Facelift, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I basically like MIA's music, but yeahhhhh, the fact that she acts literally half her age is pretty damning
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
http://blogs.bellinghamherald.com/media/users/zoe/madonna.JPG
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I dunno, big difference between madonna's 'act like I'm a hot 24 year old even though I'm 79' and 'act like I'm a bratty 18 year old even though I'm 35'
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess "act like I've got hot 23-year-old body tone when I'm 50" is more repellent to my sense of dignity than a youngish woman whose politics and "worldview" are as disorderly as everyone else's.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link
eh I'm fine w/ her shitty politics (what musician has good politics? uh...)
― iatee, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link
alfred otm
at least I can look at a pic of m.i.a. without recoiling in horror
― i don't care if big daddy kane signed your mommas tits (The Reverend), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Ted Nugent is pretty consistent iirc xpost
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:39 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this would totally be a cogent argument if she didn't deliberately and repeatedly make it a huge part of her image to be explaining her home country's issues to the western world. i mean you can shrug 'yo musicians are not usually v nuanced re: politics' but she's been depicted, by herself and the media, as a little more engaged and knowledgeable than your average bono wannabe.
― Christina NAGLera (some dude), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
But that's the media's fault. What makes her music compelling to me is the degree to which she's able to marry agitprop to "1999." This will inevitably produce some uncomfortable, embarrassing moments.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
huh? why is it the media's fault?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link
But that's the media's fault.
blaming the press for her ridiculousness is sort of a cop-out
― Cunga, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, sorry, mayas image is as much her fault as it is the medias
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm just trying to think, re some dude's point, how she's been depicted as knowledgeable and engaged. Maybe I missed an article or two. Like I said upthread, she's as much a spokesperson for Third World rage as Madonna for Catholic repression.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean hirschberg quotes the sri lankan activist whos like, "maya is making the situation worse"
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
without having to search out specific interviews, the fact that a democracy activist has a strong opinion abt the real-world effects of her posturing tells me that shes selling herself in a certain way
― max, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
imo if you causally drop genocide and personally getting shot at into your interviews you should know what the fuck you're talking about but hey it's just pop right?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link
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when did we start talking about hillary clinton, amirite
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 May 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe Madonna's a more useful influence than we think. Anyone here around in 1986 -- when the media depicted Madonna as a Serious Artist knowledgeable and engaged on any number of subjects: teen pregnancy, Catholicism, and whatnot? Obviously the analogies crumble after a while. Madonna even then was a more conventional songwriter in the verse-chorus-verse sense than M.I.A. But she pissed off or confused a lot of people because she seemed to be making a hash out of the Serious Issues her songs and videos were about (I know a few fortysomethings have never actually forgiven her for it). As for me, it's easier from the safety of distance to see that she was just an artist of unusually strong appetites who used teen pregnancy, Catholicism, celibacy, and whatnot as the carapace behind which she created a handful of delirious pop moments.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah sure that just seems different to me tho--and it gets at why maya is so much more galling than a dork like bono who believes in world peace--the shit she is exploiting is actually completely horrible.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 28 May 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link
So is pregnancy if you're sixteen.
― Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 May 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link