Rolling Metal Thread 2010

"soo many photos"

I love how this is now how tr00 bands are distinguished from the false ones.

Black metal kids with their heads up their asses have a pretty interesting idea of what "mainstream" is.

I'm not sure these guys are kids, they're older than you!

Well, they sound like kids.

that's tr00 keep my metal pure elitists for you

Those people are (obviously) dumb asses. Metal's easy miscegenation with other genres is what's kept it alive and vital for all these years. Some of the hybrids have been... less successful than others, but genres that keep their sound "pure" tend to either go away, become boring, or fade into an extreme niche.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that pirate metal is awesome.

just wait til hipsters adopt it ironically and see what you think then.

these people maybe are idiots but if so it's not because they hate the new watain, it's because they rated watain in the first place lol

j/k I love everybody but watain is mad boring you guys

^truth

I'd never heard a Watain album before, I liked some of it. The album got 5/5 in Zero Tolerance and 10/10 in Terrorizer,so I figured I had to hear what the fuss was about. (of course those tr00 guys think those magazines are "mainstream" and Decibel is a disgusting fashion bible for hipster scum)

http://v2.ztmag.com/current.html should have been the link.

the thing about the troo-troo dudes is this. if you miss out on everything they hate, for sure you're going to miss some decent stuff. but generally speaking if you only listened to the stuff they respect, you will be getting a diet of 100% awesome metal. I think there is something to that level of purity, just aesthetically. I'm not of their numbers, I listen to all manner of stuff & often am most interested in failed projects, weird off-kilter stuff that never really gelled, also-rans, etc., but I can kind of see these dudes' position, which is "anything that doesn't rule is garbage."

I dunno about that, sometimes they like something because it sounds exactly like they did 10 years ago. Who wants rehashed stuff over & over. Smithy I thought you would prefer the Darkthrone way of doing things.

they rarely if ever rep hard for anything that's not great. they'll say "it's ok" about template-adhering things but I'll take a troo-dude's list of all-timers over anybody else's - it is bound to be chock full of albums that don't have a weak track on 'em. Herman I'd guess you would have a chip on your shoulders about these guys because like they wish you were not listening to the stuff they like and are vocal about it and that's the sort of thing that really sticks in yr craw n'est-pas

"anything that doesn't rule is garbage." isn't their stance. The quality of the music doesn't even come into it most of the time. It's more a case of "only 500 people are into these guys and they dont do interviews and they hate the mainstream". Nothing to do with the quality of music, its hardly ever mentioned, they always talk about everything but the music!

I dont have a chip on my shoulder though. I dont really care what they think, its just fun to talk about on the internet. I couldnt care less if they approve of me listening or not, im pretty sure that would be the same case for any other genre of music "oh he likes *insert genre* hes not one of us" I never worried about that shit when i was younger and at 37 I certainly dont now! I do like to slag off hipsters into the xx though, that is true :)

"anything that doesn't rule is garbage." isn't their stance. The quality of the music doesn't even come into it most of the time. It's more a case of "only 500 people are into these guys and they dont do interviews and they hate the mainstream". Nothing to do with the quality of music, its hardly ever mentioned, they always talk about everything but the music!

none of this is true

like "they're only into it 'cause it's obscure," c'mon dude, that is always a bullshit accusation to level - you can't prove it at all, it's just a way of dismissing somebody's opinion

this is the last I'll say about it I got other shit to do but the troo dudes tend to have superlative taste in my experience whereas people without those somewhat ridiculous self-imposed boundaries end up repping for really dull watered-down prog trash so gimme a troo dude's playlist over anybody else's, the end

isn't pfunk talking about dffd posters and smitty talking about people he actually knows??

im talking about people i know too

half of dffd are more into talking about aphex twin than metal

Any of you guys heard this?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_W8BxmcUmLgc/S_s6dHJUTcI/AAAAAAAAFzU/YJtROeWZnG8/s200/Cleric-Regressions-CD.jpg

Cleric - Regressions
A four piece from Philadelphia, Cleric's music mixes elements of grindcore, avant garde composition, doom and... something else entirely? Influenced by other metal pioneers such as Meshuggah, Converge, Fantômas, and Neurosis, their music zeroes in on a level of brutality and experimentation that a single band rarely maintains even for a few seconds.

http://www.last.fm/music/Cleric

I got it in the mail but have been too busy to listen to it.

would be curious about how that album goes down with you but I'm not too into the track on their myspace. decent dep/fantomas/naked city kitchen sink metal. not bad but vaguely irritating and the different styles don't really gel.

alan, check your fry up yahoomail

will do.

Checking out Hyponic now

Just Google'd dffd, came across a board called D00m For3v3r For3v3r D00m3d? is that what y'all were talking about earlier? Haven't been looking too deep into metal stuff for long enough to know what that is.

yes

Is it a place for metal purists or something? I still have no idea what tr00 means, tbh. O_O

i don't really know what it is but i know pfunk is fond of citing it in these kinds of discussions.

tr00, i mean someone can prob explain it better than i can, but basically w/metal there's still a kind of partisan you're in or you're out mentality that is used in opposition to those of us who like metal but also like lots of other music and only wear black tshirts 40% of the time.

that's helpful, cad. thanks dude

i am here 4 u

hahahaha :-)

Please note: if you are female, only wear black tshirts 15% of the time and like lots of other music, you should ask a god or three for mercy on your soul.

I only wear a black T-shirt 80% of the time. The other 20% I wear the blood of unbaptized babies.

The Tr00 guys are the ones that say that even though I've been in a metal band for 13 years and work on metal tours and shows and festivals and writing 70+ hours/week, I'm actually an indie nerd posing as a metal head. As far as I can tell, the only way for me to be Tr00 would be to bathe less often and drink WAY more beer.

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Anyway, I got a screener copy of Sam Dunn's new Rush documentary last night. It's his best film to date.

I am neither troo nor kvlt but I got more love for the troo kvlt dudes than most - their position is more interesting than "it's all good" imo, you gotta have a garde to have an avant-garde

loooooooool Nate :-D

my position is that every degree of divergence from what Tapes n' Tapes's perfected w/ "The Insistor" is a grave misstep deserving of twice the amount of derision extant in the universe in which we find ourselves

you don't actually like that band

no one actually likes that band

that song & "Hang Them All" or whatever is not that bad, but i don't really listen to them

that being said, they do name drop Harvard Square so

this thread is a haven from that stuff dude

asking you nicely

sorry, will oblige

I was really excited about the new Nightbringer, after liking Death and the Black Work quite a bit. On first listen today, though, it seemed a bit strained. Hoping to warm to it.

Hit Kathaarsys again on my Shuffle while on a run tonight. Really, really, really liking this band, super especially Verses in Vain.

D00m For3v3r For3v3r D00m3d is what was the Southern Lord messsageboard. Greg got fed up with them talking sh!t about Southern Lord & its practices, so shut the SL forum down & everyone decamped to there. I'd actually say it wasn't that troo or kvlt overall as people seem pretty open to Noise, Krautrock & all sorts of other stuff.

i remember hearing some part of that story somewhere! thanks for explaining all that