Sasha Frere-Jones: Really?????

This reminds me of how little I know about my neighbor to the north.

There are frats in Montreal?

they must freeze their asses off in those togas.

liberte, egalite, fraternities

Heh, in Ottawa 10 years ago, I mostly seem to remember jockish guys listening to Limp Bizkit or Korn or 311. That's actually kind of awesome if that scene has moved on to stuff like Burial or Shackleton.

haa when gr80 was djing @ the party i had a few weeks ago he told me how earlier in the night one of my friends came up & asked him if he was going to play any dubstep.

Gr80's like "Not really..."
my friend gives gr80 a hi five & goes "MY MAN!!"

sorry if thats fratty

There are frats in Montreal?

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there are, but i'm conflating frats and mcgill residence tbh *blushes*

and i don't think they're into burial, i don't know what producers make this kind of dubstep, like maybe recent benga?

Hahaha 80% of the dubstep crowds at the all-ages events of last year's Decibel Festival in Seattle were hippies. I men, of course: that's who listens to dub in the U.S.

I mean, of course

And granted that's a west coast thing too, obv. That's where hippies flock. I wonder if/how it shakes out in Colorado and large college towns.

xpost to Samosa:

Yes, it is probably more stuff like Rusko, not so much Burial and Shackleton.

There's a whole popular strain of dubstep that has harder hitting, repetitive beats and lots of wobble bass that is geared for big dumb club nights.

Burial and Shackleton are far more atmospheric, closer to IDM. dj/rupture, coming from the IDM world, probably spins more of this artsy atmospheric stuff if he spins any dubstep.

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Just read a Sasha Frere-Jones article about black metal in the New Yorker. Ugh. Feel like I just ate a gallon of artisanal mayo.
8 hours ago

Haven't read it yet

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2011/10/10/111010crmu_music_frerejones

The tabloid-worthy events centered on a musician named Varg Vikernes, of the one-man band Burzum, who encouraged and participated in the burning of churches. In 1993, while playing bass in a band called Mayhem, he murdered the guitarist, a man known as Euronymous.

Until recently, it was a legacy that the genre couldn’t shake. But now American bands such as Liturgy, Krallice, Absu, Leviathan, Wolves in the Throne Room, and Inquisition have left a fair amount of the pageantry behind—not to mention the violence—and helped to create a community, as well as a musical moment that is rife with activity. Because of what the music does formally, there is little chance that we will see a Top Ten black-metal act.

http://unbornwhiskey.tumblr.com/post/11028687842/but-now-american-bands-such-as-liturgy-krallice

oooopsie daisy!

I finally listened to the new Krallice the other day - not uninteresting & pretty good but...well predictably I have a lot to say about it

Uh Mr. Unborn Whiskey, the article did say a "fair amount" not "all".

what an odd thing to be pedantic about

"he didnt murder her -- ergo, less violence"

not sure if you are talking to me or not, but I was just being trolly pedantic because I'm not sure what the point was behind the Unborn Whiskey thing, other than to prove some weird "metal is bad" point

Like, okay, you picked out an example that disprove a generalized point, good for you?

Oh shit, nvm, I scanned the article too quick and didn't see Leviathan's name in SFJ's original article.

Thats what I get for scanning shit between conference calls. I wasn't going to read all of SFJ's article right now because I have that issue sitting at home waiting, so I skimmed that paragraph and didn't notive Leviathan was listed so I thought that tumblr dude was bringing it up unrelated.

A heavily-bearded and tattooed Whitehead was dressed all in black as he appeared before Judge Israel Desierto Sunday morning.

Wearing a hooded sweater with the words “stop the madness” printed on it, he was ordered held on bail of $350,000.

his hoodie tried to warn him but he didn't listen.

"the violence" is just a weird way to describe the black metal situation in Norway - one murder IIRC? a friends-business-beef murder in point of fact, not really v. genre-related? - and then the church burnings, which are a totally different deal & which haven't crossed over here because the only ppl in the US who might burn churches with the same (ostensible I guess I should add) impetus/rationale as the Norwegian dudes would be Native Americans & there's only one Native American metal band I know of and they play death not black

tbf a native american black metal band would be tres badass

Phil Spector murdered a girl so don't listen to the Beach Boys.

Re: Native American black metal. I live in New Mexico and there's actually a huge scene here, they just hate white people so much it doesn't get off the reservation. I saw Mayhem here and a bunch of native folk treated me like I walked in wearing a klan hood, was a bummer.

they hate white ppl unless they are mayhem?

tbf a native american black metal band would be tres badass

some of the Mexican & Central American bands (Xibalba from Mexico, the Chasm but I forget where they're from) work with mesoamerican mythological stuff

they hate white ppl unless they are mayhem?

I think probably you get a pass if your music kicks ass

btw I read that article and have a lot of fuckin issues with a lot of its claims, the narrative growing around usbm is so fucking irritating - so much of the shit being claimed as a new look by usbm is stuff that the major players in black metal did literally over a decade ago and what writers mean when they attribute newness to it is "I give a shit now that the bands play at the Bell House"

Can't forget the Black Twilight Circle in that vein, shame Ashdautas and them parted ways after this interview

http://thephoenix.com/Blogs/onthedownload/archive/2011/08/25/revered-la-black-metal-collective-black-twilight-circle-gives-first-ever-interview-to-boston-phoenix.aspx

"the violence" is just a weird way to describe the black metal situation in Norway - one murder IIRC

As well as the Varg thing, the drummer from Emperor murdered someone too.

oh right

the epidemic of violence within black metal throughout its history

no one in an indie band has every murdered anyone else--FACT

ever, even

give underrated aerosmith a chance lol

no one in an indie band has every murdered anyone else--FACT

I shot a man in Williamsburg
Just because

that Manson bloke looks like a fucking hipster

so much of the shit being claimed as a new look by usbm is stuff that the major players in black metal did literally over a decade ago and what writers mean when they attribute newness to it is "I give a shit now that the bands play at the Bell House"

isn't this the case for any subgenre of music that eventually garners mainstream/highbrow attention

(imho praising things for their "newness" is always a mug's game that just exposes yr ignorance about predecessors/antecedents)

try saying that next time you're trying to sell dishwashing liquid

well, just speaking of the arts here...

I'm sure the newest dishwashing liquid actually is an amazing breakthrough in soapbubble generation technology

Has anyone in indie rock ever killed anyone though, for real?

besides themselves?

I hear Ryan Adams stabbed Chuck Klosterman once

heard that sufjan killed a dude w/ his bare hands once just for looking at him

Bon Iver eats babies

That Sebastian guy from Belle & Sebastian killed someone sometime, too