Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

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I certainly hope there are at least five New Order songs on the 80s poll.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

but do you think it would be 'healthy' if all five made the top 100, regardless of how good the five songs were?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Healthy?

― danh (danh), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This cannot be repeated enough, I think:

The thing about the UK charts, and music scene in general, is that in the 90s dance music was [to] the UK what hip-hop was [to] the US.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

stevem, i am not sure if you were being sarcastic or not, but i think that the best 100 songs should make it, no matter what. if there are 10 songs by a certain artist, let it be so.

it just would prove how good or how much of an impact that paticular artist had or has.

― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

bah autuerism now!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

by healthy i mean variety is good in these lists, in my opinion - esp. on a board called I Love Music which purports to have a wide range of tastes. so no i wasn't being sarcastic, even 3 songs by the same artist on such a short list is annoying!

and these things never reflect what's 'best', only what's the 'most popular/preferred'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i concede there can be a dishonesty there tho. i do actually appreciate the honesty in a list with three St Etienne songs in a row and whatever. but that's still a bit frustrating because so many other things got locked out because people wanted their personal favourite bands to be repped SO MUCH.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sensing that if one StEt tune was nominated, it would have placed top ten easily.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

on a completely free vote, there is no way I would have included 3 st etienne songs out of 30. but the choice was restricted, so 3 it had to be. nothing to do with fanboyish behaviour in my case.

(i didn't vote for any st etienne albums)

― zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

but if # of St. Etienne fans >> # of fans of people's personal faves, then what can you do?
I mean, the poll is kind of like an election, say you have five candidates, the guy with the most votes wins and the hardcore supporters of the other candidates get shut out.
Limiting the number of noms for any one artist is something to consider for future polls.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

but do you think it would be 'healthy' if all five made the top 100, regardless of how good the five songs were?

Yeah, sure. My only problem with the five St. Etiennes is that only one, maybe two of them deserve to be there. I agree with all the Pulp inclusions except "Do You Remember the First Time?," though not necessarily with the placements.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that these polls would be better if everyone just voted honestly. I can truly say that my list was completely honest the day that i sent it in. Dont vote your two nominations 1-2 just because you nominated them, vote your heart.

the list will still have bands show up with multiple songs, but it wont be so annoying when it happens i think.

fuck strategic voting.

― todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

rockist i'm guessing it would maybe be where i said the skew of the results had less to do with race and more to do with fanboy enthusiasm.

Yes, I saw that, but it's hard to take seriously when you undermine your supposed dropping of the accusation of racism by the parenthetical comment:

really, taking race out the equation (which is doing these people a favor they maybe don't deserve)

Anyway, I think comments like:

this is just rampant fanboyism, the sort of daftness that's not even bright enough to qualify as corny indie fuxxthought

are an insult to people like Martin (who apparently voted in ways you wouldn't approve of, but who likes quite a bit of 90s music you would approve of, and who you certainly aren't in a position to criticze as being less thoughtful than you, or whatever your wording means--I'm not even sure). But yes, that's a separate issue. But it's the sort of thing that makes me give in to the temptation to comment.

I don't know how you can seriously harp on my snarkishness when, in my view, you are one of the rudest old ILM (are you old ILM?--I don't even know) regulars, but I guess we all have our own slant on this thing. Maybe you are very charming in person.

BUT let this be remembered the next time anyone (eg. rockist scientist) snarks about ilm's "popist" tendencies

When have I "snarked" about ILM's popist tendencies? I can find one post of mine which does that, and I thought I was using "popist" in a pretty neutral way.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Having Blount call you "rude" will either make you scream "POTPOTPOTPOTPOT" or go "WOAH I must horrible if BLOUNT Is noticing it!" depending on your level of self-esteem.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck strategic voting.

Todd, I'm not a strategic voter in the sense that I intentionally overrate songs so they'll get on the list, and I'm slightly mystified by people who do that, but I do like the idea of voting a diverse ballot and producing an overall diverse list. What rankles me about the St. Etienne or Pulp songs is less a matter of race or rockism and more a matter of, "Wow there were so many great singles that didn't make the list (or even the nominations ballot), it's a shame some artists had to take up so many slots." But I'm also a big fat hypocrite because I voted for three Stereolab albums, and I'm real curious to see what happens with that.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

what year did "area codes" come out? did it somehow miss out on both polls?

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It's from the 00s.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

well you snarked about popist tendencies on the last singles poll for motherfucking instance. see also: every comment you've ever made about hip-hop. o and this thread too.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

meanwhile if you wanna keep harping on how i say something instead of what i'm saying maybe i can send you an e-cuddle or something or whatever it'll take to get the sand out of your vagina

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ps. you did the same thing on the last singles thread too only then it wasn't with me ie. you're the constant.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Has RS not been careful with his pocket pussy?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing's been broke since he heard david banner

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I had assumed that the high St Ets and Pulp presence was due to people voting for their songs who *aren't* in to revivalist rock. These two acts always struck me as the two "britpop" artists of choice if you fucking hate britpop. Or am I just assuming that everyone thinks the same way I do?

At a distance this poll appears to resemble Tom's 90s list (which was hugely formative for me) - which also had a strong Saint Etienne and Pulp presence.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "sand in your urethra" would be a good twist on an old favorite.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Also: JayMC OTM and "Area Codes" isn't even that great a song.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought the St Et/Pulp thing was more an indication that, on ILM, there's a sort of bedrock consensus w/r/t indie, in a way that there isn't with hip-hop or dance or pop. So a lot of peoples' indie-ish votes clustered around St Et, Pulp, B&S etc, but their hip-hop votes diverged more, their pop votes diverged more, their country votes (if they voted for country) diverged more...

But, you know, I could just be trying to put a different spin on it.

(also, ffs, the fact that a lot of people on ilm like nineties brit indie does not make it a bastion of rockism, it makes it a bastion of corny indie fuxx0rism. rock-orientation is, after all, not automatically rockism. (this in brackets because, you know, just wanted to make objection known etc.))

― cis (cis), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

man oh man wait til you fuckers see the album poll, holy fuck. I'm just gonna drop that bomb into ILX like Jim Brown dropping grenades on Nazis at the end of The Dirty Dozen and then run away.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh snap.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking forward to it Gear!

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha if all five Stereolab albums make it, I am going to laugh my fucking ass off.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

ALBUMS POLL SNEAK PREVIEW

1. Loveless
2. OK Computer
3. Different Class
4-26 Radiohead albums, bootlegs and interview picture discs
27. Neutral Milk Hotel -- In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
28. Dr. Dre -- The Chronic
29 - 48. Various albums produced by Dr. Dre
49 - 100. Saint Etienne demo tapes

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"29 - 48. Various albums produced by Dr. Dre"

Dream the fuck on.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"how to seduce a wispy indie girl in 7 mixtapes: ILM's 100 greatest albums of the '90s"

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually haven't finished the tallying but I'm not entirely sure, based on preliminary numbers, that StEt will place more than one album on the top 100. Could be wrong.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

My main problem with the St. Etienne/Pulp rants is with the argument that the results are dull and/or not balanced because 5 songs of each made the Top 100. I think the real reason most of these people are upset is that they do not believe St. Etienne or Pulp deserved that many entries. I, for instance truly believe that all 5 St. Etienne nominations were among the best singles on the 90s and I wouldn't take them out of my personal list just for the sake of fairness and balance. Why does everybody accept all-time albums lists with 3 Beatles entries in the Top 10? Considering the number of albums ever recorded, that seems pretty dull/unbalanced to me.

― daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

who says we accept that?????

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I doubt I'd accept a list with ONE Beatles album in the top ten

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"Why does everybody accept all-time albums lists with 3 Beatles entries in the Top 10?"

I don't accept that either. I think it is lazy fucking bullshit. Don't make stupid generalizations about what "everybody accepts" and then try to apply to people who think that 100% of a poll going to two bands (and as I said before ANY two bands, although yes obv I would be less irritated if I love the bands in question) is fucking stupid.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

100% should be 10%.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

and 10% should be 2%

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Limiting the number of noms for any one artist is something to consider for future polls.

-- MindInRewind (brune...), November 11th, 2004 1:43 PM. (later)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

who says we accept that?????

Well yeah I didn't mean it is "accepted" but its hardly surprising or shocking, its is expected.

― daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

But no less worthing of revulsion.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Worthing? WTF? Hahaha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"...10% of a poll going to two bands (and as I said before ANY two bands, although yes obv I would be less irritated if I love the bands in question) is fucking stupid."

Would you say it is stupid if you truly believed those ten songs are among the best 100 songs of the '90s?

― daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

No, then I would say the person who thinks that is stupid.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

29 - 48 are going to be live Pearl Jam albums.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

So to believe, in any circumstance, that 5 of the best songs of a decade were made by the same artist, no matter who that artist is, is stupid?

― daavid (daavid), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

There is no decade or EVEN year where two artists/bands/whatever released 10% of the best 100 songs released during that time period. Given the massive amount of music released EACH week for basically the past 50+ years, I think it requires an almost willful desire to limit one's taste/listening habits to believe otherwise.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 11 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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