Anyway, this may be crazy talk, but maybe many books got turned down because of reasons other than the albums' popularities and seminal statuses.
Maybe they were't impressed the writers' work?
Maybe they felt too uncomfortable because they didn't know someone who knew someone who knew that writer?
Maybe someone in the committee had "this bands is the sucks" veto power?
These decisions were not made by science. I'm not claiming they're just arbitrary, reactionary, or dumb opinions either. But they boil down to opinions.
Unless 33 1/3rd has a patent on album review books (which I don't think they do, although surely they have it on the name), if there's such a demand for more album review books, and the series is selling well, is there not a possibility of an alternative publishing source?
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― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 16 September 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link
"Slacker aesthetic"--huh?
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John COUGAR mellencamp
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 16 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
xposts - I've seen a few in stores and again reiterating: not meant as a reflection on anyone's work in particular. just about the idea for the series in general.
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I guarantee 100% hyperballed-to-the-wall reading akshun.
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 16 September 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link
for about the fourth time, talking about the general impression of what the idea for the series was. haven't been inspired to read any of 'em yet but i'll be sure to let you guys know.
here you are, a guy who talks about music all day long on the internet, sneering at a series of books that do the same as "dull and unambitious." kinda pot-meets-kettle, isn't it?
no actually spent four years recently working just about every single night while in grad school then working taking care of young child etc. on m.a. thesis on the aesthetics of late '60s psych - about a year and a half of just listening and taking notes, seven months of organizing 400+ pages of notes producing roughly 180 page document actually discussing content of about 400 songs from the period all organized around central theme (psychedelic music as late manifestation of aesthetics associated with surrealism) but whatevs, dude.
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this is absurd, too. any criticism or questioning when it's from the other side is obviously sneering isn't it, michaelangelo?
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An anthology like Stranded ismore about the writers and their choices where the 33 1/3 series just by looking at the format is nominally about the albums. Maybe the pay is so low for 33 1/3 and you don't get royalities so you basically can write whatever you want ;-) But I like listening to albums way more than reading about em so take this with an extra shaker of salt.
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why so strange!? there are so many ways to approach a subject.
― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 17 September 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link
I feel bad about saying this ;'-(
I just think there's an inherent trashiness to pop music and it's there regardless of how massive something ends up being. So that's a part of why canonizing in pop music literature (and certainly this book series is hardly the worst offender) feels stodgy to me. Naturally, the conservatism of a lot of canonizing in the literature is the most annoying part.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 17 September 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link
maybe I'm being too literal-minded here, or just playing armchair editor again. but I sense a big disconnect between the tight editorial focus of the series overall and the apparently discursive and/or digressive approach taken by some writers. and I'm not saying those individual books don't work, hey I haven't read em either, I'm trying to make a bigger point about rock criticism or music writing or whatever you want to call it (saddle up hobby horse). After 25 plus years of reading (and writing) this stuff I've decided the Lester Bangs and Greil Marcus style/tradition of "ambitious" or adventurous music writing is exhausted, a dead end that stops writers from developing and frightens off many smart readers.
maybe this is a product of being a music critic for many years while remaining kinda ignorant about music...not that I ever seriously wanted to be a guitar player more than a good writer...it's more like if I read a book about one of my fave albums I'd want to learn about the songwriting, recording, the musicians' experience etc.
of course Scott's right, there are many ways to address a subject, but I think a lot of pop music writing ignores its subject at times.
can you imagine buying a book about the movie Carrie and then reading not about Brian DePalma but the author's own prom nightmare?
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