Durutti Column: classic or dud

And yes I know it was written for Ian Curtis, you wankers.

He was in Joy Division.

Truth be told, I'm totally insane over "Self-Portrait" now. There is this part in that song when the guitar note/key changes entirely from anything you might expect and it kills me. Let alone the Martin Hannett's production. I decided I had to have this on vinyl. Cost me a fortune but I can't live until I have that on vinyl and can hear it on headphones. I will get to have "Belgian Friends" on vinyl too! What a thrill!

Still there are more great tracks..."Danny", "One Christmas For Your Thoughts"...

Haha! xpost

I thought you meant to say Vini Reilly was in Joy Division, Rocket Scientist! Hah.

No, I just thought that since you kept us from telling you it was about Ian Curtis, I would tell you something else you already know.

Heheh! Hey it's all good!

the DC song that Tony Wilson's ex-wife sings

which song is this?

i get along without you very well

it has now been reissued! (on the LTM 'circuses and bread')

Anyone heard the new album yet? Any thoughts?

geez... it only seems like a few months since the last one..

looking forward to it though...

Can I just say, and I'm sorry if I said it before...

"Silence" is one of my favourite songs by anyone ever since the beginning of time. "You Don't Say What You Mean/You Don't Mean What You Say". Top 5 fucking songs ever for me, I think.

That song kept me sane as a young teenager when I was in hospital. It's likely to bring tears to my eyes. One day soon I'll get the gumption to post the sleeve to my blog.

Can't believe 'black horses' hasn't been mentioned in this thread. So gorgeous.

walked through shin deep snow all over Cap. Hill and Volunteer Park listening to Durutti Column yesterday. perfect! tony wilson was right, Durutti Column are due a reassessment. Vini Reilly is at the very top of my list of musicians to see in concert before they die.

Yeah, that would really be something to see him, wouldn't it? I've thought the same thing before, but I just don't think he ever comes over to the U.S.

Of course one can travel but I'm not currently in a position to do that, so...

I listened to his mid-'90s album Sex and Death the other day, what a gorgeous overlooked gem of a record that is!

kooky are remastering/reissuing the first four albums as a box set - good chance to get without mercy easily on disc for the first time in a good while

http://www.kookydisc.co.uk/2009_02_01_archive.html#3761157670806880963

Already have the first four albums but the demos and live stuff are bound to be interesting.

Fuck me, he's hard to keep up with, isn't he? I seem to have missed an album recently (Sunlight to Blue ...) but I've just got Love In The Time of Recession and the Wilson song is something else entirely. Wow.

Just checked out parts of "guitar and other" on Sptfy, mmmmm......

I actually prefer Sunlight to Blue over Love In the Time of Recession but the Tribute to Anthony is the best song on both discs.

Just checked out parts of "guitar and other" on Sptfy, mmmmm......

Now we're talking.

This is amazing, and it's from their 2006 album

So down for live tracks from the Without Mercy period.

box out tomorrow..

http://cerysmaticfactory.info/the_durutti_column_four_factory_albums.html

are these different masters than the last remasters?

different to the ones on factory once yes

I'm sure glad I don't have ears good enough to usually notice the difference! The factory ones had some useful bonus tracks like the Amigos en Portugal record tacked on.

where oh where to start?

the song posted above (it's wonderful) came up as a related video on youtube as i was searching for a certain ratio tracks to compare studio to

never heard much of this band but it seems like something i would like. is there a best of or can someone prod me towards a primer?

thanks

It's a bit of an obvious choice, but my favourite from end-to-end has always been Vini Reilly. There's masses of amazing stuff on the other albums, but that's the one I return to most. The "best of" upthread is pretty decent too as a primer.

Also, whenever this thread gets revived I feel compelled to listen to Vini's opening riff on Morrissey's "Suedehead" because it is A+++.

Isn't there some doubt as to whether that's really Vini? Wasn't he fairly unimpressed by Stephen Street's compositions, and declined to play on some of that record? So it may be Street impersonating Reilly playing Street...

im pretty sure he played on 'suedehead' but there was definitely friction.

don't know if this is offputting or not

yes yes eyerolling challops from a newbie but i can't stand moz or smiths and everything stephen street touches is tainted but creative tension indicates differing aesthetics

thanks for the tips bill a

I'd agree that you can't really go wrong with Vini Reilly* ; the first two Durutti records are sublime too. My introduction was the Valuable Passages Factory comp, which has some of the best bits of his "classical" record, Without Mercy too.

(* - a huge bonus for me, though not for Karen, was the acoustic Vini/Moz 7" included with it, where Vini famously plays a bum note and they dissolve into laughter)

>Isn't there some doubt as to whether that's really Vini?

Yeah, I've read various bit and pieces about that riff's provenance (Antiques Roadshow style). To my ears, it's so like Reilly in composition, tone and style that *even if* it were Street trying to pastiche him or whatevs, then I don't care. But my money is that it's Vini, because it sticks out like a sore thumb from the jangling guitar on the rest of that song.

(and Karen, no sweat on the challops, Morrissey solo is very far from what I enjoy, although lots of love for The Smiths)

i would always vote to start with "the return of.." and "LC", the former because it's beautiful and wondrous and the latter because it's probably vini's most accessible work.

tbh i think you could pretty much dip anywhere in his catalogue, though i can't say i'm a huge fan of a lot of his 90s work. wrt newer stuff, anything he's done from "someone else's party" onwards is definitely worth checking out.

I'd recommend "LC" or "Another Setting" but anywhere from "Return of" to "Vini Reilly" will do as a starting point.

Some of Vini's 90s gear is well worth a spin if you're willing to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

I recently started loving Obey the Time. It's his most electronic album, I think.

Totally agree about Obey The Time. It's a great album and the electronic kick drums on a couple tracks sound exactly the same as on New Order's Technique. Do you have The Together Mix tracks?

http://www.discogs.com/Vini-Reilly-The-Together-Mix/release/515832

They're on the reissue of Obey the Time too.

http://users.rcn.com/rpsweb/durutti-column/texts/liner-obeyR.html

Liner notes for the reissue. Back track on that site for a pretty great collection of scans.

is the Keir referenced in those notes the same one who did Inch with Mark E Smith?

I have the reissue of Obey The Time that includes the Together mix, tis great gear.

"Kiss of Def" is totes awes as well.

Sucked into listening to DC again. Thanks thread! Anyway, I see that Durutti Column did a live session on BBC radio this week.

http://www.thedurutticolumn.com/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b00c72y1/console

shit! except that's the wrong iplayer link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b00c72y1/thursday/console

why don't people just recommend circuses and bread when they recommend dc to newbies? it's got everything and more. and its a perfect starting point.

^that's my next fave after the first 2.

Did LTM reissue Obey the Time? I only have the vinyl on Benelux. Is it worth buying for the bonus tracks? I should keep up with LTM more.

afaik 'obey the time', 'time was gigantic' and 'sex & death' are out of print, but all of them are easy to find s/hand

actually i've just realised pretty much all their factory stuff post-C&B is only floating about in factory once/too form