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"Surreal": just subbed an article in which the 'writer' used it THREE times in the FIRST THREE PARAS, basically to mean "ever so slightly odd" — I mean, I'm not a major fan of Aragon/Breton et al, cuz they had a careerist-hack dimension also etc etc, and I kind of like how this levels their pretensions, but but but [splutters off into his own zone again...]

mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

When I was subbing for a litawawy magazine we had a list of formulations which sent us scrambling for the red pen... top of the list (TOM!) was "luminous prose" - what, you can read it in the dark??

stevie, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Actually in this case the fanzine was punctuated with hand-stuck glow stars of the sort that were so popular among mid-90s kindercore types, so nyah ;)

But yeah, sorry.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

One I've always hated....schtick. Not sure where it started, although I associate its arrival with late 70's NME.

David, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I'm not a major fan of Aragon/Breton et al, cuz they had a careerist-hack dimension also etc etc

Sorry? since when did converting to glum stalinism just as your first work becomes a cause celebre (Aragon) or just attacking everyone who ever helped or admired you in print, and refusing lucrative commissions from all the major french newspapers (Breton) constitute a hack dimension? perhaps you're getting mixed up with Salvador Dali?

Patterson, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Schtick I like because it conveys the predictability of the people it's applied to (major rock'n'pop stars, generally) quite nicely. I use it affectionately fairly often.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

OK, "hack" not EXACTLY the best choice of words — the hacks are those present-day teachers-pet art crits and/or historians who sidle up to them so oozily-defensively.

But •assiduous• curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps: which I just seriously wanna get up between sometimes, and bugger about with. I tht of including Dali, but it wd have taken the heat off the others.

mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I see your point, Mark. I also see your point about how "surreal" is horribly over-used. But isn't the interesting thing about the "curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps" that they failed to fulfill their aims so miserably? Aside from under-read and fantastic, inspiring little books (Anthology of Black Humour, Paris Peasant) they were really only the creators of l'advertisement fou which, returning to the thread, is a coinage i sincerely hope never to see again.

Patterson, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"'Nuff said". Ew.

Tim, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

yes, I'll go along with "'nuff said". It really is one of the worst, isn't it?

x0x0

norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"et al"... "natch"...

stevie, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Anal.

I'm not sure what annoys me more: that it has become an ugly shorthand for 'anally retentive', or that it's only used in such a limited 'slag off' way, compared with the original Freudian sense. I'm not an expert on Freud, but I seem to recall an anally retentive character being about much more than alphabetising your CD collection and making lists.

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Po-faced. Is this a teletubbies reference or what?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I quite like "et al".

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"Sampledelic" / "Sampladelic" (sorry Pete)

"myth" as in "the rock myth" - was about to use it in the Depeche/League thread and suddenly thought HOLD ON.

Tom, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"cheese" - it's such a boring metaphor and it doesn't even work.

Tom, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Correct again Tom, but maybe that's because I don't like erm...real cheese, so I don't like music getting associated with smell. I came across spiel again recently. As irritating as schtick.

Omar, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"Rockist", especially when used to describe sounds, rather than a mindset.

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"mindset"

too easy and vague by half

Charlotte, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Hmmm, all right Charlotte. How about "ideas", then ?

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"......... on acid" - too broad, lazy

K-reg, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"Dinosaur" has been driving me crazy for years: can't believe I forgot it before. Dinosaur meaning what? Lumbering, badly designed, fit for doom and extinction, and deserving of it? So why does absolutely everyone LOVE dinosaurs: dinosaurs are TOTALLY cool, if you're a kid OR if you're a scientist, from Barney to Ankylosaurus (which is like a souped-up tortoise with spikes round its neck like punk rock and a great club of bone at the end of its tail for wacking raptors with).

(Kid vs scientist: who'd want to be anything else anyway?)

Dinosaurs rooled! For 70 million years!! Badly designed? To get rid of them, the cosmos had to hurl a rock the size of Birmingham — at Mexico!!!

Also (somewhat related, tho not somewhat rock-related): "FAT CATS"

I'm sorry, excuse me, just HOW is this headline shortcut going to help stir up class rage against capitalism?

Cats are great, fat cats are bigger, thus better QED.

Might as well call 'em Honey Bunnies or Wonky Donkeys...

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

On this 'tip' ("tip"!):

"Chameleon" (Tanya made this point once but she nicked it off me or Pete) - David Bowie a rock chameleon i.e. ever-changing, unpredictable BUT chameleons blend into the background, so it's more like Soup Dragons-y bandwagon jumping AND the only colours they can do are various shades of dull green yellow and brown so 'unpredictable' is a bit off too.

Tom, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"Macca" is totally unacceptable, even served dripping with sarcasm.

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Spawned: NO.

(And this word is doubly evil if used in the same sentence as "punk rock")

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"can you say ... ?" - as in "can you say 'manipulation of the media' ?" (just used on another thread)

Like, yeah, I can even *say* it with a nice French Canadian accent. Where did that stupid expression come from ?

Patrick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

i think that particular bastard expression comes from mr.rogers, who would ask children if they could say the word he trying to teach them. it's now becomes lazy gen x shorthand for explaining a concept and i hate it.

ethan, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"wilfully perverse" - tautology, frequently used to describe electronica

K-reg, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Jacko. Risible. Seminal. Words ending with 'core'.

Post Schmaltz should be used more often.

Steven James, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Post-Schmaltz-Core Revivalists?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-five years ago)

six months pass...
"That says it all": no it doesn't you lazy fuckwit retard. Do some work for a change and PERSUADE us.

mark s, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thank fuck nobody uses "(x) is worth the price of admission" any more.

dave q, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Spot on Dave, that one's always irritated the fuck out of me as well.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

High school journalism, featuring "Beg, borrow, or steal" "Run, don't walk" "I want my eight bucks back" and "classic" or worse, "perrenial classic" for a group's first album or something. In fact, perrenial classic for anything!

1 1 2 3 5, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Does anyone remember a Chinese cooking expert (=chef) from early 80s? His apron said "wok, don't fry" . Yes, I know...

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four months pass...
"Bland"

Heh: this just reminded me one of the original OBSCURE STRATEGIES requires you to eat a Red Chili pepper and tape yr mouth shut, then work — write, record, whatevah — in this state.

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The idea of putting Flea in my mouth and then taping it shut is morally repugnant.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rockcritics.com's Top Five Lists has a huge-ass page of these. I recall submitting "zeitgeist", "(blank)-hop" and the phrase "call it [insert smarmy portmanteau genre/analogy here]" (i.e. "call it 'wonktronica'") among others.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nate you are right

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

post-dadrock

geeta, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'atmospheric'

dleone, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sqwonk
damn, things go out of date fast these days

Paul, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm clearly trying to avoid "clearly". And "obviously". And "stuff". And stacatto half-sentences.

fritz, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what i'd give to never read the phrase "balls-out" rock or of any band needing to "grow nuts"

, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

balls-out twee!!

mark s, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

balls out twee jihad!!

(gently hug their balls, etc. i'm so sorry.)

jess, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...
"promiscuous"

Graham, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When I write copy I tend to use "tipped" quite a lot. Sometimes with "hotly" preceding it, sometimes on it's own.

I'll agree with whomever described "glacial" as a keeper. Except when you're describing artists from Iceland. I believe I may be guilty of this as well.

Confessions (i.e. more words that I tend to overuse): decidedly, melange, myriad, ornate and, erm (urp!) rawk

It's amazing I still find work..

Mark, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The "incestious" Chicago scene. (It's not as colorful as that.)

Curt, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ahem....nor as "incestuous".

Curt, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes — that’s the primary source of my revulsion. It’s not a mystery! Aggressive male sexuality intruding into my otherwise placid day is jarring.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 December 2025 15:28 (six months ago)

Yeah it’s hilarious to me that the term for this is “semantic bleaching”. I suppose the entire concept of bleaching is going through the reverse process for me whereby it calls to mind much more unsettling mental images than it would have ten years ago.

Tim F, Saturday, 6 December 2025 15:37 (six months ago)

I kind of do and don’t agree with you, LL? I was thinking about how full circle internet has come on certain things, like if you search “rape” or “raped” on ilx, some of the more relevant examples near the top are stuff like


Posted: 26 January 2007 at 21:31:19
this song raped me once

And that was so common on so much of the internet back then! Whereas now the tiktok influenced censorship of today, people will not type out the word rape even when it’s about literal, actual rape. I watched a video a couple of weeks ago about some manosphere prick, I forget which one, and they described some event as “he 🍇ed her and it was a known secret for a long time.” Like, grape emoji popping up in otherwise serious discussions of a difficult subject makes me feel like I’m going insane. It almost feels mocking, though the motivation is the video creator not wanting to get demonetised by the algorithms. So that leaves me uneasy, too. I don’t want capitalism and censorship to be the reason casual references died, I’d want it to be people actually being more educated and aware. Sadly…

Wrt “circle jerks”, which I do not use, I never thought of this as aggressive so much as pathetic. The term aiui is meant to be castigating overly self-referential pretentiousness, no? The imagery I have always got is a load of middle aged bearded men huffing and puffing over, oh, some topic that doesn’t interest me, and that’s always struck me as pathetic and even comedic but not so aggressive.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 6 December 2025 15:52 (six months ago)

I vaguely remember some conservatives or media critics in the early '90s considering _The Simpsons_ vulgar and crude because of Bart using "sucks", "blows" and other now mild-sounding language.

Show itself (naturally) has a great bit on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgqkMoeXBo

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 6 December 2025 15:56 (six months ago)

It's a very personal thing for me -- I don't choose to have this reaction, it's wired into me via decades of intrusive thoughts. In earlier times, I would have never even brought it up because of fears it would yield retaliation, a relentless assault of imagery that would leave me feeling even worse.

Re: circle jerk, yes agreed it is pathetic but the image of men/boys "huffing and puffing" disgusts me and therefore the result is the same. An intrusion of unwanted imagery into a situation that was previously neutral.

Again, I freely admit that this is something I have to deal with in my own mind and not anyone else's problem; I'm glad that bringing it up hasn't yielded a torrent of revolting images like it would have some years ago.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 December 2025 16:02 (six months ago)

Yeah I hear that and especially on intrusive thoughts though haven’t experienced it with this.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 6 December 2025 16:05 (six months ago)

I'm fascinated by the thought of Tracer sitting in all his work meetings crafting double entendres.

Alba, Saturday, 6 December 2025 16:48 (six months ago)

Whoa I just remembered that I *did* try to say something about this once and was rewarded with a “fuck off” iirc. It was in a thread for the band Liturgy. On zing outdoors so I’m not looking it up rn.
No wonder this felt dangerous to me lol/sob yet again.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 December 2025 17:13 (six months ago)

i found it Liturgy

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 December 2025 18:07 (six months ago)

i claimed "it's 2015, can we not?" and got swiftly told off
i am not sharing this to relitigate that situation, but to note that this is not a new thing for me. i should have remembered this.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Saturday, 6 December 2025 18:08 (six months ago)

that was an out-of-line response on their part imo.

austinato (Austin), Saturday, 6 December 2025 19:14 (six months ago)

^^^

Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 6 December 2025 19:20 (six months ago)

"I don't know who needs to hear this but..."

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Tuesday, 9 December 2025 00:41 (six months ago)

Louder for the people in the back

calmer chameleon (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 December 2025 01:31 (six months ago)

"the higher-ups"

map, Tuesday, 9 December 2025 01:32 (six months ago)

“learnings”

donna rouge, Tuesday, 9 December 2025 01:48 (six months ago)

😬

map, Tuesday, 9 December 2025 01:52 (six months ago)

"...on my bingo card"

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 9 December 2025 02:13 (six months ago)

"ask" as a noun

bored by endless ecstasy (anagram), Tuesday, 9 December 2025 02:23 (six months ago)

"core memory"

istg if the pop-psychology of my lifetime manifested into a physical thing, it truly would be huge pile of literal bull shit, with a bunch of very ignorantly blissed out cows standing by at the ready.

austinato (Austin), Wednesday, 10 December 2025 18:09 (six months ago)

three months pass...

needle drop

^this. I feel like its use must be *de rigueur* at any uni cinema club

Galactic Poetaster (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 March 2026 23:03 (two months ago)

one month passes...

"final boss"

stop, please

omar little, Monday, 18 May 2026 21:58 (three weeks ago)

See also final form, one-shot, side quest, level up, etc

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 00:15 (three weeks ago)

Young people (tm) seem to use video game slang all the time. NPC, bot, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 May 2026 00:46 (three weeks ago)

they've gamified my anxiety disorder

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 May 2026 01:28 (three weeks ago)

A student wrote that he had leveled up his writing skills in my class and I found it helpful tbh — to see it how they see it helps me encourage other students to try in the pursuit of leveling up.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 02:14 (three weeks ago)

leveled-up is useful. i don't mind these words if they're useful

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 08:30 (three weeks ago)

'level up' makes zero sense to me as a phrase. to my brain it just means 'fix something that's wonky' and i have to make a conscious effort to interpret it any other way

Ash Ra Pimples (NickB), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 09:45 (three weeks ago)

NPC is dehumanising language and has a strong fashy flavour, really hate to see non-fashy people using it.

sonic catterdales (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 09:58 (three weeks ago)

It’s a very 2026 phenomenon that the type of cunts who 10 years ago were calling libcucks NPCs now spend all their time talking to a literal NPC that they think is god/their gf/therapist/financial advisor

unclear apocalypse (wins), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 10:11 (three weeks ago)

NPC is horrible, yes. Reflective of a solipsistic mindset, but also a reaction formation against the idea that one might not actually be as important as one wishes to be.

rameau in the main room (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 10:23 (three weeks ago)

i get that npc comes from toxic message board culture and furthermore from video games which have nothing of value to offer to anyone, but 'people who just follow along' is a real phenomenon that deserves some kind of shorthand that isn't too derisive i guess. 'default people', 'mainstreamers', something like that. 'sheeple' if you will.

shaking babies (map), Tuesday, 19 May 2026 23:06 (three weeks ago)

I will have to ask my daughter about the decision between NPC and bot.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2026 00:08 (three weeks ago)

That went terribly, now I'm even more confused.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2026 00:30 (three weeks ago)

coronate/coronated evidently continues to give me sub-editor's histamine prickle lol: you can just say crown/crowned and lose literally nothing meaningwise (and gain style-wise imo)

for the fussy of mind "coronation" in the sense of the official ceremony of the crowning of a king (or by extension i guess the official ceremony of the inauguration of a president ect ect) is fine, bcz a latinate term for some all-channels fancy performative* event completely with parchment scrolls and big stamped seals is perhaps helpfully distinctive

"coronation vs contest" is iffy by these pernickety standards but does have a certain rhetorical-alliterative energy so i'll allow it (not that "crowning vs content" doesnt)

*note correct usage austin fans!!

mark s, Thursday, 21 May 2026 13:06 (three weeks ago)


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