Urge Overkill: Classic or Dud

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Omar, I have Royal Trux "Thankyou" which, as you already know, is totally great. Not quite up there with "Exit the Dragon", but still magnificent. "You're Gonna Lose" - genius. What a guitar sound - wasted, dumb, trashy!!

I have avoided the early stuff, and have not really liked the later albums. "Accelerator" was interesting, but I couldn't get into it. I probably should have tried harder with that one.

Dr. C, Thursday, 15 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Well Dr.C. "Thank You" is a good introduction, but there's so much more! Of course you've got to have "Cats & Dogs", beautiful, wasted and elegant. Then "Royal Trux" (the one with skulls and bones on the cover) has some really nice ballads. The "Singles...etc." 3xbox/double cd is a brilliant collection, very good introduction too. "Accelerator" and "Veterans of Disorder" are tight (the riff of 'Liar' gets my nomination for King of da Riffs). Then you go into "Twin Infinitives", one of the strangest, fucked-up records of all-time, it's a puzzle, but a very beautiful one. Just recently after some 8 years it finally started to make sense ;) "Royal Trux 1" and "Sweet Sixteen" you get last. And this concludes today's lesson "How to buy Royal Trux 101", next week: "The Spectre - the greatest song ever?"

Omar, Thursday, 15 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

one month passes...
Royal Trux: Hands down the WORST band I have ever seen live. And for that alone they suck.

Urge Overkill: Couldnt really pull it off live either, but SuperSonic Storybook is an absolute no questions asked classic. That album is spot on all the way. The 70's swank image was a lot of fun. Didnt dig Saturation - too much like Bachman Turner Overdrive. Exit the Dragon was a step back in the right direction.

The biggest mistake they made was claiming their image was all in jest and good fun. I recall Nash saying "Its a joke, nobody is getting the joke". Well F' that. If anything, real rock stars would self proclaim they were the coolest cats with a mocking smile, swig down some martinis and give the world the middle finger.

Cash Lone, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

two years pass...
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Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic! And the Nash Kato solo alb was excellent too; the more I play it, the more I warm up to it.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I need to buy that. I'm told it's quite "lounge". What happened to them?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic. Though I don't remember enjoying the Nash Kato solo album much when it came out. Found it noteworthy the best songs were co-written by Blackie. Supersonic Storybook, Saturation and Exit The Dragon are all must haves. Haven't heard Americruiser, is that any good? I have heard Jesus Urge Superstar, and it isn't.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Classic. I pulled out 'Saturation' and 'ETD' tonight after catching "Sister Havana" on VH1 Classic. Great records, and great-*sounding* records too. (Has anyone ever praised the Butchers' recording of vocals?) 'ETD' reeks with loss and distraction/destruction while moving like a mutha. "The Break" = such a fine Stones tribute/cop. I'm going through my closet trying to find my old UO T-shirt.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 January 2005 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

No love for Strange, I, Jesus Urge Superstar, and Americruiser?

donut christ (donut), Friday, 14 January 2005 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"Take Me" has such beautifully captured "crunchy" guitar sounds . . . The fact that these guys so nicely walk the line between needing and not needing those quote marks makes them classic classic classic.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 January 2005 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

(anyone remember Urgeover Killdozer's Crow cover on the Mondostereo comp?)

donut christ (donut), Friday, 14 January 2005 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, DC, I've got A/JCS too. They're probably next. I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule, so I might just stay up all night playing records and waiting for my landlord to show up to fix my kitchen sink.

Don't have the 'Mondostereo' thing. Didn't Killdozer do that great Bad Company cover for . . . what movie was that?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 January 2005 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

'Scotland, PA.' In addition to owning too many records, I also have too many DVDs!

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 14 January 2005 08:23 (twenty-one years ago)

So did any Chicagoans check them out on New Year's Eve? Baked Bean Teeth?

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, I saw 'em in Chicago when they opened for the Pixies in November. The sound was terrible. Ho hum. Didn't enjoy it as much as when I saw them 10 yrs ago with Blackie in the line-up.

ng, Friday, 14 January 2005 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, is he not with them for this go 'round? I didn't realize that. i'm not very on top of things these days. Well in that case yeah, screw that, who cares.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic. "Exit The Dragon" is one of the great overlooked albums of the '90s. "Saturation" is OK, although I don't listen to it as much as ETD.

John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I said pretty much the same thing four years ago but maybe in a more focused way now -- one day I'll listen to Exit the Dragon and, you know, actually think it's good instead of flagrantly not. But this might be about ten days after I die.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked saturation and feel it is exactly as good as
STP's core, and defy anyone to rate them differently beyond a
margin of 5%.

the best thing about UO was that they wrote a song about stalkers
who they thought were sincere fans, but it turned out they
were stalking them because they thought UO sucked! SUCH IRONY!
Isn't that the awesomest thing ever?

uo=stp, Friday, 14 January 2005 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It's been too long since I've spun these albums.

miccio (miccio), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic.

Awesome Welles (nordicskilla), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I actually still have one of those UO hate zines, "The Stalker", lying around here somewhere. That thing was insane.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Ned...look there goes Kevin Shields!

Omar (Omar), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

*lazily looks elsewhere* Mmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 January 2005 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Stormy, I haven't seen UO since their reformation. When they played the Double Door for the first reunion show, I balked at the ticket price (like $30 w/ fees), and I'm still waiting for them to play someplace that's Metro sized or smaller without charging more than $15 or so.

Oh, and Classic. I don't have a lot of love for Exit the Dragon, but based on some of the posts above I'll have to find my copy and give it a spin.

Also, "Stalker" the song came first, then "Stalker" the hate zine. The ladies who made the zine used to come into the Rainbo when they thought Nate would be there, one of them wearing a horse costume (because they thought Nate looked like a horse), and hang around being pains in the ass until they got kicked out. I vaguely remember a physical confrontation between Blackie and one of the women one night at the Rainbo, so I'm pretty sure the Urge guys weren't big fans of the zine.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 15 January 2005 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

There are a few songs in the second half of 'Exit the Dragon' which are not that great. "View of the Rain", "This Is No Place" and "The Mistake" are as good as anything they recorded. Their albums were patchy anyway. Some aspiring label could make the best case for the band with a well chosen compilation.

I think Geffen had dropped so much money into UO to have a huge hit album, which didn't happen, they were screwed.

What I thought was funny about Urge is that they went from a cool indie rock band to the most uncool major label band in literally the time period of a summer. I'm sure Jawbox, Jesus Lizard and Jawbreaker and other bands of that time had many fans turn upon them for going to a major, but I don't think any band quite got the shit like UO.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 January 2005 05:04 (twenty-one years ago)

What was that Albini quote after he and the band had their big fallout? Something to the effect of "We'll see who's sucking dick for wine change in 10 years"?

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 15 January 2005 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I realize this is kind of gossipy, but what kind of fallout are we talking about here? I knew that there was a closeness and then there wasn't a closeness, but I never knew it was so acrimonious.

donut christ (donut), Saturday, 15 January 2005 06:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I loved their take on 'Wichita Lineman'. It's absolutely HUGE.

It's one of the few vinyl tracks I would convert to MP3 if I wasn't so lazy and actually worked out how to do it

UO seemed to think they were far better than they actually were though

William Nicholson (Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountai), Saturday, 15 January 2005 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I remember that Albini quote "we'll see who's still making music in 10yrs and who is sucking dick for pocket change in bus depots" is how I remember it. It was in response to one of UO calling Albini the worst producer of music in America, or something.

I never really got off on UO, I liked "Stull" when it came out, but every time I've listened to them since, one track is great, but it's kind of enough, because I start getting very distracted 1 verse into the second number. If I want that awesome american heavy pop-rock kind of sound, Red Kross' "Phaseshifter" is the one for me. My god, what a mighty album that is.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 15 January 2005 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Search: Supersonic Storybook, Stull EP, Americruiser, Saturation (in that order)

Destroy: everything else. Exit the Dragon is bullshit. The only track that sounds like they weren't phoning it in is "The Mistake," and that's only because Blackie was so fucked out on smack that he couldn't help but capture it on vinyl at some point. Nash and Roeser's songs are mostly crap -- "Somebody Else's Body"? You gotta be freakin' kidding me. After the great Cheap Trick pastiche that is "Saturation," this was much of a letdown as I've ever experienced from any american band, and I'll never forgive those jokers for it!

J (Jay), Saturday, 15 January 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The fallout came when Urge left T&G for Geffen; that was a big deal at the time as far as the indie vs. major label war went in Chicago. It may also have had something to do with UO owing T&G one more record, and instead of delivering a studio album they let T&G put out that promo/"greatest hits" CD.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 15 January 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
Of the various 90s slackrock opi, Saturation will be better remembered than either Slanted & Enchanted or Loveless, but not Icky Mettle or Last Splash--mark my words.

Dr. Sardonicus, Saturday, 26 November 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Dr, with all respect...YR WRONG!

based soley on the amount of copies available for less than 5$.
last splash is ALWAYS 5$ or 6!

but, all that aside, UO=grand. i loved them so...they made me wish i could be them when i was like 15.
saw one of the reunion shows, not as great w/o Blackie O...still alright. King's a sweater, tho. no, not like a turtle neck, but the man's got some sweat flarin.
nash looks exactly the same. just not as nice as he should be...all things considered.

eedd, Saturday, 26 November 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Their live at Maxwells album is really pretty good. I'm surprised that anyone would like Exit The Dragon over Saturation, but it's a big world. As time goes by, their trio of Storybook, Stull, Saturation (hmmm, maybe they fucked up by not calling it "So Long Dragon") are holding up really well. Wish more current indie-ish dudes could sing like that.

dlp9001, Monday, 9 November 2009 03:51 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6AFfQBxx4w

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 9 November 2009 04:25 (sixteen years ago)

this thread lacked youtoobz

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 9 November 2009 04:26 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS-WUsfdOgI

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Monday, 9 November 2009 04:26 (sixteen years ago)

classic

ice cr?m, Monday, 9 November 2009 04:29 (sixteen years ago)

i love exit, maybe as good as saturation?

like moses, the townfolk like the red sea (stevie), Monday, 9 November 2009 10:04 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Still think this cover might be my favorite of all time. I mean, it's probably terrible in a way but looking at it always makes me so happy

http://991.com/NewGallery/Urge-Overkill-Saturation---Oran-424122.jpg

www.gbokchoymail.com (admrl), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:43 (thirteen years ago)

I even love the Geffen symbol hanging up there like a distant star.

www.gbokchoymail.com (admrl), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:44 (thirteen years ago)

i had the orange vinyl! and i always wanted one of those 'catch the fever!' UO tee shirts kurt c wore...

Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:00 (thirteen years ago)

On the inside, there is a man there
Strapped in a black chair
Ask him his name, and he'll say, and he'll say:
I am the late Alpha of electric Omega
Tried and fried down in Georgia
But my body won't die

Hit me again

Fried on the inside
Fried on the inside
But alive on the outside
Two-minute warning sounds
Enthroned is a killer
He's double dead now

I'm walkin' down death row
Don't want my mamma to know
Her little chicken
Too young to fry

Are you scared of dying?
- I don't mind if I go
Tell me why you're crying?
- I don't know, I don't know

HIT ME!

^this will always not never be my favorite

contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)

Saturation is such a good album, i feel like america failed these guys

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:05 (thirteen years ago)

and yeah, saturation cover is brilliant

contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:05 (thirteen years ago)

saturation did okay. i think it's more that exit the dragon failed america.

contenderizer, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:06 (thirteen years ago)

exit the dragon is great!

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:07 (thirteen years ago)

Yes.

LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:08 (thirteen years ago)

exit the dragon is good its just a major downer

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 17:08 (thirteen years ago)

I can see why this doesn't appeal to a lot of the folks that were drawn in by the Saturation singles.

― Moodles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 7:12 AM (4 hours ago)

sure, but i was drawn in by jesus urge superstar. i'd been a fan for five or six years when exit the dragon came out. though i'd had to work hard to understand jesus urge superstar, and though americruiser was disappointingly slight, they at least gave me cause to stick with them. exit the dragon marked the first (and last) time i'd really disliked an urge overkill album. part of my distaste was undoubtedly the dashing of overinflated expectations, but it's still the weakest album they ever made, imo. it'll probably never be a favorite, though i'm inclined to be more forgiving of its faults these days.

contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 18:40 (thirteen years ago)

Also, the passing of both of those bands kind of marked the end of...how you say...guys doing guy rock and roll. Hello space-age bachelor music, etc...

goodbye to guyville

contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 18:41 (thirteen years ago)

just starting to explore rock & roll submarine. it's a lot better than effigy led me to believe (not that it's a bad song, necessarily, but it didn't impress me on the first pass).

contenderizer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 18:43 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

I have a nice buzz and Saturation is hitting the spot. What a fun rock record.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 27 September 2014 00:38 (eleven years ago)

Saturation is so so excellent. Come on, "Bottle of Fur."
Nash Kato's solo album is also really good.

The Velvet Fog called me a motherfucker (Sandy), Saturday, 27 September 2014 17:47 (eleven years ago)

two years pass...

For whatever reason, I'd never actually googled "Artane." I also never paid close attention to the lyrics of "What is Artane..." I think I carried over the goofball cover art and some of the goofball songs on Supersonic Storybook, but that's a seriously dark song. Also maybe my favorite thing they did, though there are a lot of contenders. What's weird is that I'd read the NY Times article on (supposed) Artane abuse in Iraq, but somehow the connection didn't click. Anyway, still leaning towards Supersonic as their best, but I was wrong upthread about Exit.

dlp9001, Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:31 (nine years ago)

five months pass...

I had heard a bit about the whole 'stalker' routine, but this kinda seems like something out of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia".

https://thechicagoambassador.wordpress.com/2014/12/21/20-years-later-urge-overkill-stalker-discusses-her-antics-still-wants-to-drive-the-band-crazy/

earlnash, Monday, 12 June 2017 21:04 (nine years ago)

four years pass...

Man the new one is surprisingly fun, I love these goofballs.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 20:40 (four years ago)

I gotta check it out

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 20:42 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Oh man, that is sad. RIP

I always liked these guys, even well after the rest of the world stopped paying attention. Oui was a pretty good record.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:23 (two years ago)

That sucks. I saw them in '93 and wound up sitting next to Nash and Blackie at a bar afterwards. They were total dudes.

henry s, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:27 (two years ago)

oh no.
fuck.
loved these guys.
r.i.p.

mark e, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:29 (two years ago)

(realize probably in poor taste to single out Oui given that he's long been away from the group, but just appreciate any chance to give these guys some love)

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:31 (two years ago)

What a sad synchronicity--I pulled out Supersonic Storybook earlier this month for the first time in years, and have had "(Today Is) Blackie's Birthday" in my head ever since.

blatherskite, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:18 (two years ago)

I really loved Urge Overkill a band that occupied a very odd space in rock music. Really nothing like them. Especially their odd, transitional records. and of course, Saturation is a full blown masterpiece, the great Cheap Trick album of the grunge era.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:22 (two years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww-f4glTOdw

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:49 (two years ago)

relistening to 'saturation' for the first time in years and grinning like a cheshire cat all over again.
at the time i was bored with grunge, but this crew cut through all that, and hit the spot for me.

mark e, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 19:56 (two years ago)

still got the sticker that came with the cd edition of Saturation.
no idea if linking to a picture on twitter works anymore,
here goes.

https://twitter.com/marke23/status/1669075241526517760/photo/1

mark e, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 20:24 (two years ago)

ah, as expected.
hey ho.

mark e, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 20:25 (two years ago)

Exit The Dragon is such a great, sad, complex album. Like the inevitable comedown to follow the artificial high of Saturation and all that Erica Kane. Saturation has such strong songs, but Exit The Dragon was their great work.

serving aunt (stevie), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 22:40 (two years ago)

the rest of the songs are unfortunately overshadowed by "Girl, You'll Be a Woman Soon" but the Still EP is probably my favorite overall

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:16 (two years ago)

Stull, even

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:16 (two years ago)

I love Exit The Dragon, it really got a bad rap. Many years back I spotted King Roeser at SXSW. I went up to him and introduced myself and said I loved that record, especially his songs. I think he was a little shocked like no one had ever said anything good about it to him before.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 23:30 (two years ago)

Moodles and stevie otm, Exit the Dragon is a killer album and the band’s best. Love to see it appreciated.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 June 2023 01:50 (two years ago)

RIP Blackie. Re-listening tonight. What incredible guitar sounds and gorgeous, dry recordings. Love the hard panning. Emmaline and Stull title track hitting hard.

Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Thursday, 15 June 2023 02:25 (two years ago)

Supersonic Storybook is sounding great, very odd mid ground between Saturation and the more knotty Touch & Go Chicago rock style

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 June 2023 02:44 (two years ago)

you got to ro-oh-ah-oh
sister hawana

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 June 2023 04:52 (two years ago)

Woman 2 Woman my fave track of alltime of theirs, total banger with the most insupportable lyrics & the worst line
ever

Girl what's your sign, Vagittarius?

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 June 2023 05:44 (two years ago)

oh no

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 June 2023 05:53 (two years ago)

:D

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 June 2023 06:00 (two years ago)

A serious rock band. Saw them (without Blackie) in 2004, and they totally blew me away. Still one of my favorite gigs ever.

Storybook, Saturation, Stull and Exit all excellent. Gonna play Goodbye to Guyville this morning. RIP Blackie.

Mule, Saturday, 17 June 2023 07:39 (two years ago)

Girl what's your sign, Vagittarius?

was listening to Saturation a few months back on a sentimental journey to where I grew up and was obsessed with it as a teenager, and that lyric jumped out. Is it about loving a woman who loves women?

serving aunt (stevie), Saturday, 17 June 2023 10:11 (two years ago)

yeah but more gross - it’s about wanting to bone a lesbian & turn her straight
i don’t know that love is involved lol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 June 2023 16:05 (two years ago)

ha oh god that is gross as fuck. oh, the 90s.

serving aunt (stevie), Monday, 19 June 2023 08:31 (two years ago)


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