― Andrew L, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
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― norman fay, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
i hate country music.
search: _chronic town_, _murmur_, husker du's take on "eight miles high."
― sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Don't worry about it Sundar, nobody's perfect ;).
The Byrds = Classic. I don't listen to them all that often, but they sing pretty and I've liked almost everything I've heard by them.
― Patrick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
So, Search for : "I know my Rider" and "Eight Miles High [RCA version] (extra tracks on the reissue of 5D) "All The Things" (from Untitled), "Don't Make Waves" (extra track on reissue of Younger than Yesterday), "She Don't Care about Time" (2 versions n the re-issue of TTT)
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
get out those Joe Cocker records! Soul baby!
― Pete, Wednesday, 16 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Andrew L, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
BTW, when Rog McGuinn first got his small Moog Modular system, he was completely stumped by it. He called Bob Moog, and was reportedly told that if he didn't know how to use it, then he shouldn't have bought it! This is as nothing compared to the other early synth pioneer Donald Buchla. I heard of one fellow who bought a used buchla system, and phoned buchla & co for service info. Buchla then phoned up the guy he'd bought it off, and shouted abuse down the phone along the lines of "HOW DARE YOU SELL THE INSTRUMENT i CUSTOM MADE FOR YOU!!!"
Moog modular synthesisers are available new from a company called moog custom engineering, but IMO those wishing to record moog ragas of their very own would be advised to check out:
http://www.synthtech.com http://www.wiard.com http://www.modcan.com
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― Norman Fay, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― DG, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Earliest ref to the Indian influence I can find is that in late '65, McGuinn used his Rickenbacker guitar to simulate the sound of a Sitar on the track "Why' ; first version of 'Eight Miles High' recorded at the same session. So quite early, but dunno if it predates 'Paint it Black' and George Harrison's first 'Eastern' influenced songs. And yes, "someone shd do something on how Folkways as a whole got unrock noises into the rock bloodstream." - I'll read it if you write it! The Smithsonian Institute are currently reissuing many of the old albs (many on CD-R!), and I have a pretty comprehensive catalogue for this, so I might do a bit more digging...
― Andrew L, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
The raga stuff: so is it a case of parallel evolution (which is, like, not impossible) or is it chart-pop rivals jockeying for Best Use of this Week's Gimmick (which is the Secret Story of Rock, 64-68)? Lennon-McCartney (latter esp.) made a project of study of their whippersnapper competitors: could they even have been researching Byrds out-takes?
Folkways: It's another whole chapter. Oh joy. Or is that Oh fuck.
― mark s, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― tarden, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Brilliant: I knew the Byrds would one day deliver something of massive pleasure to me, and this is it. Respeck, Dr C.
(Actually when I was playing them earlier today the only track I wanted to give a second listen was 'Mind Gardens'! They're probably my number-one Yes-yes-I-know- they're-great-can-we-listen-to-something- else-now-please? band... Guess I must still not be playing them loud enough.)
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/rockmach.html
...and shudder in astonishment as FT actually prints something which is WELL-RESEARCHED (or *at all* researched)
― Tom, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― mark s, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Heaven knows I'm miserable now.
― Nicole, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I am a convert, needless to say.
― Dr. C, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
But I am reviving now to say: THE PREFLYTE SESSIONS: SEARCH! Or Destroy, whatever you want. I just want to hear some views on that collection. 'You Movin'' - wow!
― the byrdfox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I haven't listened to The Byrds for ages, apart from Untitled. I enjoyed the live stuff especially and I am forced to concede that I was possibly too harsh on Gene Parsons upthread. S.Battin is still a tool.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm amazed I didn't rise to the bait of the Doc ragging on Gene Parsons, because I'm a great admirer of his solo "The Kindling Album". His LP "Melodies" is less good, despite the promising title.
I think "Yesterday's Train" is beautiful, even.
I've never heard "Pre-Flyte", having always worked on the assumption that I don't really like The Byrds pre-Gram. I have a horrible feeling that this is a contrarian position I once took, sometime around 1987, and then the wind changed and I got stuck like that.
Perhaps I have some treats in store.
― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link
(Classic.)
― the byrdfox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link
The martial drumming on electric 'Tambourine Man' is interesting. It's like Larry Mullen Jr just out of Mount Temple, not Michael Clarke.
Gene Clark was a pretty good songwriter for a young age. But then, I'm not sure how young he was.
'Boston' and 'You Movin'' are the ones that have pushed out new motorboats for these ears. Cor.
There are a handy lot of good photos of the Byrds, and some of them are in the booklet for the collection.
Today I listened to 'Wild Mountain Thyme' for first time in a while - wow; I suppose the verdict is: later Byrds are even better than earlier Byrds. I love the strings and the 12-string solo on that track.
― the byrdfox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Funny coincidence since my grandfather was the publicist for the Monkees and how he recalls the Byrds being there all the time.
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― dan. (dan.), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 8 July 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 8 July 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
what in particular are you hearing on Byrds records in terms of the drumming?
Curious about this myself. Also, I can never remember which album came first -- Turn! Turn! Turn! or Mr. Tambourine Man -- so I often have to look it up: "Is this the one with session players?" I don't hear any qualitative difference. If Clarke was such a shitty (or even just mediocre) drummer, the difference between those two records would be pretty stark.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
The Wrecking Crew played on their debut single, but when it came time to record more songs to make their first LP, the band insisted on playing those tracks themselves. (For whatever reason, this rarely seems to get fact-checked whenever news or magazine articles mistakenly claim that the Wrecking Crew played on the whole album - it happened again with multiple outlets after Crosby died.)...― birdistheword
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― bulb after bulb, Thursday, 1 June 2023 16:47 (one year ago) link
Aha! See, no one can even tell the difference! Blaine's a little too splashy on the hi-hat on "Tambourine," and Clarke has a heavier and more convincing groove throughout the rest of the album (especially on "Bells of Rhymney").
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 June 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
The Stuart group definitely nods at Bakersfield and the Dead too. There is a little thing in one video that even references an early Stones album cover.
Kenny Vaughn is a good interview and has had an interesting life and career. There is some interviews he does talking about seeing the Dead in the early 70s in Denver (among other things).
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 1 June 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
Totally not slagging Ringo, not really slagging Bill Berry, maybe just tweaking him a bit. I just don’t hear anything particularly exciting from Mike Clarke, when I listen, the way I might hear when I focus on, say, Chris Hillman.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:13 (one year ago) link
“Where I draw the line” was just some kind of rhetorical overstatement that I will somehow never be able to live down now that you have successfully outed me as some kind of Buddy Rich Or Die fanatic.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:15 (one year ago) link
"well, everyone knows crosby got replaced by a horse. what this album presupposes is... maybe he didn't”
I’m also waiting for y’all to accuse me of slagging on Levon Helm or not appreciating Clem Cattini.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:18 (one year ago) link
Not a big enough fan of Christopher Mars.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:19 (one year ago) link
Oh hey, I just discovered the awesome discofied version of “Eight Miles High” on Flesh and Blood to distract myself while you circle the wagons.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:23 (one year ago) link
Maybe I should go on a Pink Floyd thread and see what people are saying about Nick Mason.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:24 (one year ago) link
it's cool sorry if that came off more aggressive than intended
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:27 (one year ago) link
You’re making me sorry, sorry somehow.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 June 2023 23:29 (one year ago) link
Okay, I’ll stop
One of my favourite Byrds covers is Grant McLennan's 'Ballad of Easy Rider'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAcPJfbHQro
― aphoristical, Friday, 2 June 2023 01:32 (one year ago) link
Wow, never knew that existed, thanks! I say this and haven’t even clicked yet.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 June 2023 01:38 (one year ago) link
Many xxx-posts...
Surprised no-one posted the bonus track from the Notorious... reissue with the recording of McGuinn and Hillman fighting with Clarke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsVs9-W0eSQ
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 2 June 2023 04:27 (one year ago) link
Maybe it was already posted upthread? Plus it’s definitely David not Roger- and he even mentions a horse!
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 June 2023 06:30 (one year ago) link
The Troggs did it better. Crosby might be an asshole but he's right about the drumming on this track.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 2 June 2023 06:42 (one year ago) link
Lol about The Troggs.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 June 2023 06:58 (one year ago) link
Fairport cover Gene Clark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWxOxme9Lw
― dow, Friday, 2 June 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
They sure had good taste.
― dan selzer, Friday, 2 June 2023 17:32 (one year ago) link
^love this one!
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 June 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
Think I first heard it as part of some BBC sessions.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 June 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link
Which that is, I now see in the fine print.
― The Original Human Beat Surrender (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 June 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I've just got it on the original Heyday, which is like 10-12 performances from the Beeb; the 2002 reissue is 20 tracks, and the 4-disc box is still around, and yeah they had taste for sure. Don't think they did any more Byrds-related material, unless some of the same trad.The Hillmen s/t doesn't have any Chris originals, but they do a couple of Dylan songs, like this one--whole reissue is here (note inclusion of the Gosdin Brothers, later with Gene, and with Clarence White on their own late 60s The Sound of Goodbye)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8VP7kIXKDY
― dow, Saturday, 3 June 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link
I believe Joe Boyd would bring a lot of records over from the US for them to listen to. Also he was involved with the Move in some way and they covered the Byrds, Moby Grape and Love.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 June 2023 00:52 (one year ago) link
The Move covered all of those?!Gosdin Brothers' Sounds (plural) of Goodbye has Byrds appeal, as well it might:
The GOSDIN BROTHERS - Sounds Of Goodbye . Us . 1968 .(Folk Rock) (Country Rock)Vern Gosdin - Vocals , Guitar , SongwriterRex Gosdin - Vocals , Guitar , Songwriter&Gib Guilbeau - Rhythm Guitar , Fiddle , SongwriterGene Parsons - Drums , HarmonicaClarence White - Lead Guitar , Rhythm Guitar , Dobro , SongwriterWayne Moore - Bass , Rhythm Guitar , SongwriterGary S. Paxton - Producer , SongwriterKenny Johnson - GuitarDennis Payne - Guitar , Bass
I was led to it by young Kelsey Waldon's cover of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdDHi6gIdKw
― dow, Saturday, 3 June 2023 00:59 (one year ago) link
The Move covered all of those?!
"So You Want to Be a Rock and Roll Star" (and "Goin' Back" and "Eight Miles High"!), "Hey Grandma" and "Stephanie Knows Who".
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 June 2023 01:02 (one year ago) link
Richard Thompson has mentioned this before (and it may be in his recent memoir), but when Fairport Convention covered their favorite contemporary songwriters, they purposely chose songs that weren't so well-known at the time. As a result, they produced just as many definitive or near-definitive versions of Dylan songs as the Byrds: "I'll Keep It With Mine," "Million Dollar Bash," "Percy's Song," "Dear Landlord," "Si Tu Dois Partir" (aka "If You Gotta Go, Go Now"), etc.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 3 June 2023 01:34 (one year ago) link
Whenever I listen to Another Side of Bob Dylan, I almost feel like I'm listening to a demo session for the Byrds - four of the best songs became great Byrds recordings. Only "Chimes of Freedom" was equaled by Dylan simply because it's a great, epic set of lyrics and so much of it was cut out by the Byrds.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 3 June 2023 01:39 (one year ago) link
Don't think they did any more Byrds-related material
this is beautiful, technically a mcguinn/dylan tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1qlcBWC0EI
― buzza, Saturday, 3 June 2023 02:19 (one year ago) link
also Iain Matthews did a few Gene Clark songs post-Fairport
― buzza, Saturday, 3 June 2023 02:23 (one year ago) link
Ah! Thanks!
Sandy Denny: vocal; Richard Thompson, Simon Nicol: guitars; Ashley Hutchings: bass; Dave Mattacks: drums.This was Fairport Convention's encore at the time. Recorded at Sound Techniques in 1969 as part of the Liege and Lief sessions, it was later released on Richard Thompson's collection (Guitar, Vocal), on the Sandy Denny anthologies No More Sad Refrains and A Boxful of Treasures, and as bonus track of the 2003 reissue of Fairport Convention's album Unhalfbricking.A live version without Sandy was released in 1977 on the Island Records 2LP set Richard Thompson Live! (more or less)
This was Fairport Convention's encore at the time. Recorded at Sound Techniques in 1969 as part of the Liege and Lief sessions, it was later released on Richard Thompson's collection (Guitar, Vocal), on the Sandy Denny anthologies No More Sad Refrains and A Boxful of Treasures, and as bonus track of the 2003 reissue of Fairport Convention's album Unhalfbricking.
A live version without Sandy was released in 1977 on the Island Records 2LP set Richard Thompson Live! (more or less)
― dow, Saturday, 3 June 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link
Then you’ll probably enjoy this:
https://500songs.com/podcast/episode-139-eight-miles-high-by-the-byrds/
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, May 30, 2023 4:58 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink
i started this and it seemed great, so i actually ended up going back to the first episode. so now i'm all up in lionel hampton and big joe turner etc but i'm excited to hear this someday
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 June 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link