I mean, the more The Stranger is more hung up about what the Seattle Weekly is doing, and not vice versa, the better it is for the Seattle Weekly.
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:48 (twenty years ago) link
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link
― animal wrangler (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:51 (twenty years ago) link
Nor the Stranger's Chris DeLaurenti, who recently turned in an effing phonebook - about as exciting as one, too - of all the experimental-type music folks in Seattle. He not only had the gall not to have ever seen the Sun City Girls, he also had the chutzpah to admit it in print. But those laptoppers - hasn't missed one. Jesus Christ.
In any case, the article's just another salvo in the intraurban rivalry, and should probably be ignored.
― Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, first of all, do bands ever really turn down interviews? I write for a paper owned by a much-reviled company that has been accused by some of trying to dismantly democracy. Yet when I call up even the most archly political of arch political punk bands, they're fine with talking to me. They know the difference between the owner and the worker, and they know that it's just a fucking interview.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:01 (twenty years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:09 (twenty years ago) link
Oh, and a caveat: The Stranger sucks major ass, and I'll still take Matos' section over that piece of shit any day.
― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link
Meltzer's column was boring lazy name-dropping crud that should've been ditched long ago; a guy coasting on the anti-charisma he already burned through several times over.
Also, the "Matos edited out personal anecdotes about a gay relationship" ---> "Matos must be a homophobe" bit at the end is a joke. Your arms' too short to make that kind of reach, Ms. Writer Person.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link
The Stranger, it seems to me, has always made a point of picking on the Weekly. And no wonder, because they've done some damage to that operation in terms of competition.
It's a fucking miracle, actually, that both alt-weeklies can survive in a city that small. One of them will be gone in the next five years unless SubPop blows up again.
― don weiner, Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:21 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:21 (twenty years ago) link
Considering Meltzer's rep for the nasty (mailing people kitten fetuses or whatever), I don't know.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link
if i answered the phone brusquely with just my last name, people would just think they reached a surly ice cream store.
also i find this thread really inappropriate for reasons i can't put my finger on.
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
It holds with my belief that he's the gruffest friendly man ever. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:30 (twenty years ago) link
I'm glad you're here, Jess. I need you to prevent me from turning into trife on this thread.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:31 (twenty years ago) link
haha mike, why? so I can turn into trife instead?
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link
And no more inappropriate than the constant Lester Bangs ass-kissing or these new personal attacks on Chuck Klosterman (who's a pretty cool guy, actually).
― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
Chicagoans who read our dominant alt-weekly The Reader may remember an article in their hot type section (which serves no other purpose than to cover and critique the 2 major dailies) about a month ago about the in-fighting at the Sun-Times between Jay Mariotti (The more DeRogatis of the two) and Rick Telander (The Greg Kot, if you will) and how they nearly got in a fist fight at a sporting event once. Apparently, the resentment between them is extremely personal.
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
Actually, Michael, the Hilton Kramer hiring makes perfect sense, given that the NY Post is now the newspaper of choice for the "Ann Coulter pinups on my wall" set.
― Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Thursday, 28 August 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:50 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 August 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:06 (twenty years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 28 August 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link
― perry, Sunday, 31 August 2003 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Sunday, 31 August 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 31 August 2003 15:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 31 August 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:01 (twenty years ago) link
― perry, Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:09 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:10 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link
Then again, I didn't read all of Meltzer's most recent stuff, so maybe it does get depressing when taken as a whole.
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:45 (twenty years ago) link
:( When I read this I thought 'WHAT?!' then realised I don't look hard enough. I only wish I could afford to find lots of music to write about. I've not written in a whole month and it's not because I don't want to or am unable to (ho ho take yr potshots elsewhere) but because I haven't any new music (ie I don't know of any) to write about. I sometimes wish I was Chuck Eddy's mailbox.
― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 31 August 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
Hey! ;-) But I tease.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
But Stence, when Meltzer says in the interview quoted above that even if something *did* happen in the '80's or '90's, it wouldn't matter, because "there was enough otherwise" and the idea "that there'd be new rock records" excites him as much as the idea "that there'd be new brands of meatless lasagna"...well, that's something quite beyond skepticism. When you've wiped the battlefield clean, war ends; when you completely discount the possibility of excitement, criticism becomes impossible. (OK, terrible metaphor, I know.)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link
― dengo matherton (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:54 (twenty years ago) link
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 31 August 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
Also, I think I'd be the first to admit that my own curmudgeonly tendencies color a lot of this bias, too.
― hstencil, Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
I'm definitely more likely to read a Meltzer review (unless it's one of those Dada bullshits) than a CMJ review because cynicism leads to better jokes. But a CMJ review never makes me assume talent is being wasted, becuz there's no implication of talent in the first place.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link
― mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 2 September 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link