worst Drake song on the radio this year

he's also a much better singer than Kanye

yeah but as a living human being hes so much less likeable, which is saying something in 2010

this is probably the first song of his where I haven't found him unlikable (probably because I mostly only find him unlikeable the second he stops rapping). and let's keep this in perspective, we're talking about post-heel turn kanye fucking west here (obv his heel turn was the release of 808s itself, not that silly taylor swift rant). drake needs to work way harder if he wants to catch up.

his heel turn was the fist quarter of 2009

this is probably the first song of his where I haven't found him unlikable (probably because I mostly only find him unlikeable the second he stops rapping)

and by "stops" you mean "starts" right?

yes, thanks for catching that

drake starts out unlikeable. if i dont like kanye being self righteous, where at least we have a public story to latch onto, why would we care about drake being done rong?? no one will connect with this

will smith was never this much of a whiny lame

i haven't really caught the lyrics and hence don't care about them yet

the only thing worse than kanye being self-righteously mad at his ex is drake being self-righteously mad at an imaginary one

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:07 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this really is otm

dunno, personally i find kanye's actual non-issues add up to the same zero at the end of the day. i think it's moreso drake's nominal superiority as a singer that works against him in comparison to kanye on his 808s material - on an immediate level there's a workable grain in kanye's lack of r&b finesse.

conversely this probably acts in his favour 4 those happy to luxuriate in the wan aesthetics of 'shut it down', etc.

(obv his heel turn was the release of 808s itself

SO RONG

Still one of the best albums of the decade.

even if you think that, it's kinda hard to deny that his persona took a turn for the ugly on that album

I mean, even though I don't like 808s, that wasn't a value judgement.

Not sure what you mean by his persona taking a turn for the ugly... was he just whining and being sad a bit much for your tastes?

I think he means all of the unnecessary shit-talking about his ex.

For me, Kanye gets more entertaining as his behavior becomes more unnecessary, but I understand why others wouldn't feel that way.

I think he means all of the unnecessary shit-talking about his ex.

this

It wasn't unnecessary shit-talking about his ex, though. It was, if anything, an honest portrayal of the emotions one often feels after a break-up ("It's your fault," "You're a bitch and a slut," "You're never going to find anyone who will treat you as good as I did," "Fuck you, once again, you slut"), even if these emotions are emotions we're taught not to externalize, especially on pop songs. They might be asshole things to say, but if he really felt them, why shouldn't he include them in his song? I think they added to the sense that 'Ye really was hit hard, and this was the way he reacted. It was a portrait of a really brief period after a break-up before, you know, distance and insight occur (whether that ever did occur for Kanye is another matter).

I don't want to put up with the dude at the bar who wants to tell me about the bitch who did him wrong either!

Hey, if he writes melodies like 'Ye does on 808s, I would happily.

Yes, but he doesn't...

Oh wait nevermind I thought we were back to talking about Drake again.

nah this thread hasn't been about Drake since you guys histrionically ran to Kanye's defense

No histrionics on my behalf, good sir!

With that said, I do think the melody on "Find Your Love" is realy lovely, and the way Drake hits the higher note when he sings "heart" in the chorus -- I love it.

Hey, if he writes melodies like 'Ye does on 808s, I would happily.

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Stilted ones that don't go anywhere?

Exactly. Thanks, Geir!

i saw a UFC dude come into the ring to a kanye 808s song, that kinda made sense

plz say it was "Pinocchio Story"

haha sorry, no it was "amazing"

can't remember the dude, it was on the undercard of the PPV where brock lesner won and then freaked out and did some WWE heel style rant after and got in trouble for shitting on the beer sponser on air

Hey, if he writes melodies like 'Ye does on 808s, I would happily.

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Stilted ones that don't go anywhere?

― i am giving you the viking of compliments (The Reverend), Friday, May 14, 2010 2:55 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark

I think they're pretty great; really primal melodies that just smack you across the face. For me, at least.

"primal melodies that just smack you across the face" and "stilted melodies that don't go anywhere" don't really seem like mutually exclusive descriptions, just ones that come with different value judgements.

yeah, thinking something is melodically inept makes me geir! you got it! gold star for you!

WOOHOO!!!!

i never much cared about kanye being a "dick" -- we listen to rap music right? i mean

never bothered me but it's pretty clear kanye is a different kind of dick than most other rappers

yeah idk -- i kinda skimmed this thread cuz i'm tired of this discussion anyway so i have nothing to respond to

anyway i still dig "find your love"

on 808s, kanye is a dick in the way that the dashboard confessional is a dick. fuck outta here.

dashboard confessional dude

i like 808s and heartbreak and i do not like this new drake song

mostly i just think 808s has great music -- the basis of the songs is an afterthought to me anyway because it's emotionally infantile, undercooked & full of platitudes -- again, that doesn't bother me but i see how it could turn others off -- i believe i've said this before but my view of 808s is def colored in a positive way because of how it fits into kanye's career -- it's much more interesting to me as a major pop album -- eventually it hit me on as base a musical level as possible, but there's def a different element to it that i dig

tbh tho like, personally i find myself being affected by dudes off-record personas more than their on record -- like, 50 cent being a dick irl kinda made me not want to listen to his music, regardless of what he was saying on record -- i can deal with kanye's "dickishness" (even tho it comes off to me in a rather normal & non-offensive way) because i find him to be a compelling off-record persona/pop star -- i don't judge it based on "he's annoying on this record"

J0rdan ridiculously OTM re: 808s.

I don't like it musically, though.

Fair play, R. I think it's musically really engaging for me, even if I sort of agree with J0rdan on the bit about 'Ye's songwriting. But I think it's strong on the record too, and I've explained why in the past. I just think it's a great record. I like College Dropout and Graduation better, but I like 808s more than Late Registration.

kanye seems like way more of a dick IRL than 50

thank me later version of "shut it down" -- http://hulkshare.com/vqmrw64rpuf8 -- has a full dream verse apparently, also some other different flourishes

demo version >>>>