Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

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― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I don't know I rather like it.

I didn't mean it isn't usually apt, mind.

― OleM (OleM), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

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Zeppelin, Doors, Velvet Underground, James Brown, Sly Stone, any
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I am first and foremost defending the European classical musical traditions, and those popular musicians that help keep them alive, and those were not simp

I might be a little late to this fair, but Mr Hongro Such a theoretical mindset might be good for you and those of your ilk. But more civilized music fans who have a broader more advanced concept of musical theory as well as an appreciation for the broad range of feeling and intellect that comprise the constructs to make great music, who dont posess an ear of tin and dont throw catch phrases such as "defending the European classical musical traditions," out of some desperate, dimwittedly nationalist and childishly freudian need to assert a cultural superiority that only exists in the blackened, grimy, cobweb laden windmills of your mind....well let's just say that we prefer more cultivated modes of thought than the primitive analysis you seem to prefer.

― robert lashley (brotherman), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

"why does everyone care so much about what Geir thinks?" (posted on another thread)

i like music which isn't necessarily melodic (as well as melodic music), so i'm always interested to see what overlap i have with someone who likes ONLY melodic music. hard to know where geir the man ends and his internet persona begins, but he's cool all the same.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

But the whole "melodic" thing is patent nonsense. He's an idiot; it's like reaffirming your tastes by talking to someone in a coma.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

will a simple "he's funny" suffice then?

i suppose what i meant was: i like to see which of my loves and hates he enjoys, and how he ties his own love and hate to his "MELODY+Harmony=good, anything else=bad" outlook, however nonsensical or inconsistent that outlook can appear at times.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I totally disagree with Geir's "aesthetic" but I like some of those records he likes..."Notorious Byrd Brothers," who wouldn't like that? Genesis, well, I frankly don't understand how anyone over the age of 19 would want to listen to that, it seems so obviously pseudo to me. But that's just me, my older brother has friends who are 48 years old and are still groovin' to "Yes Album" and Emerson, Lake and Palmer, that's what they're comfortable with, more power to them.

He's classic.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's pretty funny how he is willing to accept music without melody if its production and stereo effects is fancy enough (e.g. Prodigy, Orbital), but still wants everyone else to listen to melodic music only.

― man, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't call "In Sides" unmelodic. Melodically different, yes, and highly harmonically dissonant, but I do hear melodies there.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

How long does this Geir person usually stay on newsgroups/boards for? Does he leave after a few weeks or does he stick around interminably?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Until everyone goes somewhere else without him noticing:)

― man, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Using The Prodigy and Orbital as examples of unmelodic music strikes me as being deeply odd.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

every second thread on ILM seems now to be either by Mr Hongro, or to mention him in the title.

for this alone, classic.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

FORUM MODERATOR: delete ILM and all backups. format the drive and blow up the server. Please.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Why not just log off for a little while?:)

― man, Thursday, 13 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-three years ago)

If Geir just likes melody and harmony, why isn't is favorite music Gregorian chant. How come he can stand any sort of syncopated music. Isn't it too rhythmically complex?

― Amarga (Amarga), Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Geir, You cannot have too much Ms Melody

― girl scout heroin, Thursday, 13 March 2003 04:44 (twenty-three years ago)

If Geir just likes melody and harmony, why isn't is favorite music Gregorian chant.

For your information: Gregorian chant usually had no harmony, only melody.

How come he can stand any sort of syncopated music.

I have never said I dislike rhythm, just that melody and harmony should always be there and should always be in tne forefront as the most important elements in the music.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 March 2003 11:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm with Amateurist: "But the whole "melodic" thing is patent nonsense. He's an idiot; it's like reaffirming your tastes by talking to someone in a coma."

The guy comes across like the Blob.

― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

''every second thread on ILM seems now to be either by Mr Hongro, or to mention him in the title.''

its funny bcz he is so fucking dull as well.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 March 2003 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

if its not healthy to make unconstructive, irrelevant retorts to Geir's irritatingly assumptive (and i feel, equally unconstructive and irrelevant) comments, then shouldnt Geir be discouraged from making such comments in the first place?

i suppose its really no worse than the way other posters act so authoriative about things as if to suggest they are right and everyone else is wrong...and i'm as guilty of that as anyone else i guess - only i try to avoid it by stressing 'i felt that' or 'in my opinion' because just saying 'x is better than y' and not even offering real explanations why (saying cos x has melody and y doesnt thus better is not a satisfactory explanation) is boring, unconstructive and is dragging ILM somewhat i feel.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 19:38 (twenty-three years ago)

But I AM RIGHT and everyone else is wrong.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

we all think that sometimes, and thats why the world is the way it is

all together now "loooooove makes the world go rooooooooooound..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah. Love is for the WEAK. I declare Fatwa on the Infidel, stevem!

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

"crazy...hey, but that's how it goes..."

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

raci..."eurocentrist" dud. I'm gonna stop talking about good Good Charlotte, Limp Bizkit are or how bad "Reveal" is, lest I come off like this monotonous prick.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

If you guys will just stop talking about how bad Oasis, Coldplay and Travis are, then chances are you won't get me started either.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)

cryptofacist threadhijacking egomaniac

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir can eat a...oh, hey there! Didn't see you there, Geir. Still, dud-ola.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

uh, where was anyone talking about Travis or Oasis or Coldplay on the Class Pt 2 thread?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

That thread was about how everybody who is into music like Travis and Coldplay (that is, song oriented indie music played by white males) is supposedly rascist just because they don't like disco and other genres that are similar to disco.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:12 (twenty-three years ago)

no it wasn't - read the thread and link me to specific posts re: travis or coldplay.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir is in fine form today; the contradictions in his silly theories are revealing themselves more plainly than usual and he's resorting to all kinds of desperate sophistry in an attempt to avoid head-explosion.

HStencil, I think it's OK to tell Geir to eat a big _____ even in his presence, given his nonsense of late.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

I've often wanted to say that myself.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

That thread is about indie. Indie=Travis & Coldplay (among others)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

no it doesn't - read the thread and post specific references to travis, coldplay, oasis. indie (indie - the definition of which is argued on the thread - = drag city, matador, touch & go).

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Indie is indie. And just the idea that refusing to listen do disco (because disco it is) is rascist is just completely absurd.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:21 (twenty-three years ago)

This is getting tiresome in the extreme.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

It is obvious that Geir is just a European musician who can't swing, and must justify this aesthetically.

(possible counterattack: my theoretical knowledge of harmony sucks, so I was drawn to music with a strong rhythmic element. true, except um, jazz is some of the most advanced music harmonically that's out there)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:26 (twenty-three years ago)

but that wasn't what the thread was about - how bout this you give me a brief synopsis of the different arguments put forth on that thread (and what 'indie' means according to that thread - lists artists, records) up to the time you hijacked it and I might believe you actually glanced at the thing before you decided to make it (like everything else) about YOU YOU YOU and your standard white aesthetic resistance trope. Does the fact that you post the same posts on completely different and unrelated threads maybe suggest to you that you just might be a bore? How is it anything but rude and egocentric? How does it contribute to the discourse at hand in any fashion (other than making the discourse at hand about the melodofuhrer Geir Hongro of the Great White North)?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:27 (twenty-three years ago)

The point here is that this rascist argument is being used again and again by talentless (mainly white) fans with no knowledge of true music at all, to put down people who do actually have musical skills that they, personally, don't understand.

In the late 70s, people who appreciated better and more complex music would be written off as "old", "Irrelevant" or whatever the punks said. Today the rascist argument has replaced that one.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Geir I don't like ripping on someone like this, since all I think all opinions are important. They derive from one's experience, emotional reactions and what one desires from music. Your opinions would be more valuable if you used more than a single criteria to judge music, if there was a modicum of mystery to how you value things. Instead, you implies that the amount of complexity in melody and the lack of rhythmic focus is all the matters.

Anyone who can tell if there is a complex melody on a song or loud instruments never needs to hear what you have to say ever again. Cuz you're never going to say "that lyric really gets to me" or "it makes me want to dance" or "I love the way he says 'culture'" or draw anything to our attention aside from the extremely obvious. You have no ability to value any opinion aside from your own, or at least have no desire to express that appreciation. You're acting like a slide rule.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

haha - I got the Geirbot in Alex in NYC 'listen junior' mode!

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

how bout this Geirbot SS2000 - when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

forgive my typos. I've been listening to Eric B. & Rakim lately.

In Latin they call this a non sequitor.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

no, that rhythmic stuf fucks with your ability to rite in the Kween's english. Trus mee.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-three years ago)

when you actually don't dodge someone's questions I'll take you seriously (or at least as seriously as my Atari 2600) 'kay?

When I don't answer your questions, it is because they are based on completely pathetic premises.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

actually they call it a non sequitur

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 April 2003 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

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