I have come to the conclusion that Mr Brightside by The Killers might just be the best song of the past ten years

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haha but wait EMF's "Unbelievable" did better than "Fly" maybe. Perhaps it did.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Not really sure why saying "Somebody Told Me" sounds a bit like dahnce music is so controversial - it was in relation to why they work well being remixed so it's not like I was trying to hand down some universal law.

And yeah The Killers do strain for coherence - "Mr. Brightside" feels like it's trying to be a story, but it only becomes so by a certain sleight of hand (it seems to make sense until you try to follow the lyrics sequentially and logically). Again though, this isn't necessarily a bad thing!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't sweat coherence too much on Killers songs (and I agree with your pathos over logic statement) cuz I heard them as distinctly post-Interpol, who have made Stipe-ian nonsense ok again as long as its clearly about sex.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I don't sweat it either! Are observations disallowed?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

It actually strikes me that the original (demo?) version of "Somebody Told Me" trumps the version that ended up on the album. Dynamics are better. There's an older version of MB floating around somewhere unless I deleted it on my hard drive that's just the opposite - the album version adds far more sheen and doesn't plod and drone as much.

I'm not that enamoured of the JLC remix, I reckon JLC is used as a prop by people who want to look like they hate pop while still being able to love "What You Waiting For", "Mr Brightside' or whatever. Not that I'm accusing anyone directly.

Anyway, I think the Killers have a sense of taut groove that a lot of their contemporaries lack, but it doesn't seem instinctive or indelible from their music, as a lot of their songs DON'T HAVE IT. "Somebody Told Me" does, perhaps not to the extent of say, Duran Duran, but there's elements of this "rock music you can dance to" (that said, that Soulwax album from last year really let me down on that unfulfilled promise, so maybe I'm overcompensating by liking The Killers). "Mr Brightside" sometimes strikes me as being better and sometimes as worse - maybe it ties up far too neatly at the end. Not sure.

(Oh, and "Sugar Cane" by the Space Monkeys was a great single, yes. "Fly" done CORRECTLY, indeed.)

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

no song has enabled me to totally divorce the words from their meaning as much as "Mr. Brightside". Probably why it's the best song ever.

haha but wait EMF's "Unbelievable" did better than "Fly" maybe. Perhaps it did.

I mean in 1998 I had no idea who Primal Scream were, but I knew that song was gonn be HUGE. And I SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT GODDAMNIT

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not like "Fly" isn't awesome too.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I don't sweat it either! Are observations disallowed?

dude don't be defensive! I like your review a lot! I just don't get the dahnce/rock thing. I don't see how that would fix the band's "problem"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Interpol and Killers lyrics are not in the same league with early REM for chrissake.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

thank god for that.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah we wouldn't want anything good or anything

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

BESIDE YOURSELF IF RADIO'S GONNA STAY
REASON; IT COULD POLISH UP THE GREY
PUT THAT, PUT THAT, PUT THAT UP YOUR WALL
THAT THIS ISN'T COUNTRY AT ALL

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

no, exactly.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

one of you guys gonna chomp your teeth now?

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Music names that involve Kurt Schwitters

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

One of the coolest things the Killers guy does is that yodeling thing on "Midnight Show."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm not that enamoured of the JLC remix, I reckon JLC is used as a prop by people who want to look like they hate pop while still being able to love "What You Waiting For", "Mr Brightside' or whatever. Not that I'm accusing anyone directly."

B-b-but the JLC mix is a better pop song than the original!

"What Ya Waitin' For" is a bit of a misnomer in this regard shorely - the reasons the original work and the reasons the remix work are entirely different. I love them both but I could totally understand loving one and hating the other.

"I just don't get the dahnce/rock thing. I don't see how that would fix the band's "problem""

It wouldn't, it would just neutralize it - no-one, not even rockists, ever expected songs by The Prodigy or Hardknox or whoever to "make sense"; the fact that they coasted along on good rockish dynamics was enough. This is true of a lot of rock too but then I wasn't trying to make a binary as such, just a point of comparison. There's a dance remix of "Somebody Told Me" which makes the point really aptly, the narrative progression of the tune loses all of the perceived awkwardness of the original because it's in a context where things like "narrative progression" are totally subordinated to groove and dynamic. This also means it loses some of it's OMGWTF quality as well - part of the enjoyment of "Somebody Told Me" is simply the fact that it doesn't gel in the places you expect it to.

That said, I reckon The Killers have the potential to be their best when that sense/dynamic tension is subsumed within a larger "pop" unity: where the song feels meaningful despite the fact that it may under closer inspection not be at all, where the overall surge and drama of the song feels unified a la "The Walk" or "Girls On Film". Where the original "Mr. Brightside" falls down for me a bit is that it's trying to get by on only one type of expansiveness, which is its emotive melodic efficiency (tense build up verse, big chorus 1, bigger chorus 2 etc.). The JLC Remix reincorporates the sonic expansiveness and openness and even slight gonzoness of "Somebody Told Me", but instead of just being there for its own sake as on STM, it's put to work in the service of the emotive structure which the original "Mr. Brightside" put in place.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 2 May 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago) link

B-b-but the JLC mix is a better pop song than the original!

I don't get this at all, but maybe its because I fell in love with the original long before I heard the remix (which I do enjoy)

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

they're about equal, with the original edging it out a tiny bit.

I could see how people who were left unsatisfied by the original would be totally satisfied by the remix, though. I just felt no such unsatisfaction.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe I just like synthesisers a lot.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

plus my preference is based on a real pop-rock bias on my part. The remix is slow and meditative with great synths which is enjoyable but I prefer the crash-boom-bang rush of the original.

x-post yeah i think there's a dahnce vs. rock preference thing going on here. Both are fine examples of their respective trade.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, Tim, I think you're blinded! The original is a much tighter, more focused pop song. Crashing and thudding, like Miccio sez. I don't want it to hover menacing in a cloud of synths, it's supposed to CLAW god-damnit.

(Of course, I like my pop songs to be taut and economical in scope, and broad in their sonic arrogance, which the original "Mr Brightside" does in spades. Oh and last time I went out, the JLC remix of Gwen cleared the floor. Nobody danced!)

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:08 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah 'taut and economical' is key for me too. The original does high-kicks all over the place and has a big TA-DA and gets its job done in like 3 minutes.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Morrissey yodel? I'd probably like him if he yodeled more.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link

check out "Last Of The Famous International Playboys"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

also "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side"

miccio (miccio), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I will listen for the yodels the next time those songs come on the radio, then!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Interesting that Mr Brightside's current "Hot 100" position is actually higher than its "Modern Rock" placement, which I suppose means that the majority of its radio spins are now coming from places other than Modern Rock stations.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

or d/ls.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I said this recently:

I liked "Somebody Told Me" last summer, but it always seemed a bit too novelty, like a retread of Blur's "Girls and Boys" -- and not just in the gender juggling, but also in the vapid indie-gone-Euroclub spirit. "Mr. Brightside" is more affecting: it's sprightly but yearning, stately but smudged, with an almost baroque feel at times (okay, so they rip off "Ode to Joy" at the three-minute mark). It just works. I wish I could recommend the Jacques Lucont remix, considering how much I liked what he did with Gwen Stefani, but his ethereal rendering robs the song of its urgency -- in the original the fake-out non-rhyme of "sick" with "chest" coincides with a desperate tug forward, but in Lucont's hands it just floats there.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I think "Mr. Brightside" is the rare radio single that holds up well to being overplayed. Best of the last 10 years? No. Likely to be the most fun rock song in any block of currently-popular music? Abso-frickin'-lutely.

Lyra Jane (Lyra Jane), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

(Of course, I like my pop songs to be taut and economical in scope, and broad in their sonic arrogance, which the original "Mr Brightside" does in spades. Oh and last time I went out, the JLC remix of Gwen cleared the floor. Nobody danced!)

I was able to get synth-phobic indie rock college students to dance to this track! I love dancing to it, and I know lots of people who love it as well, people who i would consider "popists" in the sense that they like to listen to the radio. And I like the original too! w/ all respect edward o., i don't think people are "afraid" of short pop versions; for a long time I liked the original mr. brightside more than the remix.

The JLC remix is just like a New Order song; I'm honestly not sure which version I like better (of "mr brightside") although now I'm leaning towards the epic grandiosity of the remix; it just seems like a better fit for the bombastic (in a good way) emotive qualities of the original (which might be what tim's saying? I'm not sure).

deej., Monday, 2 May 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

JLC remix is NOT a dance remix. It's a re-edit if anything, or an extension of the original. I don't think simply beefing up the drum makes it dance music, as the complete lack of DJs playing it probably shows.

I love it, and never liked the original, because I guess I am not emotionally moved in the slightest by the original, which just has that crappy 2 cent indie sardonicism thing going on, making it unclear whether you're supposed to hate the singer or like him.

The remix whitewashes this nicely.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

the remix whitewashes the song, all right. not in a good way, tho.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

don't you people miss the dramatic harmonic changes of the original?

(okay, i guess not.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, i just realized, jlc's "what you waiting for" is great precisely because he adds dramatic harmonic changes to the original, whereas with "mr. brightside" he takes them away.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Now that i've been listening to the remix so much, the original just seems too fast - the lyrics kind of seem glossed over. it's strange i feel this way as normally i hate lyrics in general, but this song hits a nerve. maybe also i just like lots and lots of yummy synths.

now "Somebody Told Me", there's a song whose lyrics all the catchiness in the world can't make up for.

lemin (lemin), Monday, 2 May 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, i just realized, jlc's "what you waiting for" is great precisely because he adds dramatic harmonic changes to the original, whereas with "mr. brightside" he takes them away.

This is the main problem with the remix, I agree, but you could argue that the remix isn't about being dynamic--to me it's the epic album-closer to the original's gate-crashing album-opener, and as such doesn't need to do anything except just lie there, being epic and whatnot.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i suppose. i'd still rather listen to the original, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

jaymc, what length is the jlc remix of mr brightside you heard? Because there's a shorter version going around which sounds like crap, and it seems like you're describing it rather than the longer one, perhaps.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

this song fucking rules. i mean he nailed the vocal on the record, but did you see SNL? ewwwwwww....

i still haven't heard this remix, can someone gmail it to me?

Aaron Zanders (AaronHz), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

He didn't seem like he nailed it when they were on The Tonight Show either. It wasn't THAT bad, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

is this the dub mix? jlc did 2 different versions didn't he?

jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

the one i have is 5:18.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, the JLC version is up over 8 minutes. get that one, although i'm notsure how they differ.

lemin (lemin), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

omg you guys, this version is soooo much better. i've been duped!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the eight minute one is vastly, vastly superior.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I felt the same way the first time I heard the eight minute version. The five-minute one is totally pointless by comparison.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 2 May 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link


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