MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.
who are YOU claiming solidarity with, brother man?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link
MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'
this is just wrong & a real double standard on deej's part
its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.
this is obv strawmanning but i think there's likely a lot of truth to it as well
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
i.e. "mo money, mo problems" samples the beat AND the hook of "i'm comin out"
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:43 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
and "sunshowers" does the same thing pretty much that "lemonade" does
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:46 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i address exactly this in my post. read again
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe if MIA would get a biggie verse i would have no problem with it -- this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat
so you like "paper planes" then?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:47 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
people who find 1-dimensional 'solidarity' to be corny?
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
jordan what arent you understanding? if biggie spit over it, i would probably like paper planes. i do like 'straight to hell'
i'm saying that it's bullshit to say that "paper planes" is popular because of the sample of the squeaky noise in the background of a clash song
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link
'the squeaky noise'?? its the entire beat, looped
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a real stretch to assume we share MIA's politics -- such as they are. She's more interested in lyrical bric-a-brac.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'
http://pubsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/screw-ball.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link
srsly this "something added vs. nothing added" shit is arbitrary and peabrained
yes its arbitrary to suggest that a biggie verse is better than mia yelling things
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat
yeah this is my major problem with her. "politics" are only irritating insofar as other ppl like talking about them.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
right but you're trying to break things down in terms of popularity, not just quality -- if you're gonna say that "paper planes" is a hit because of the clash sample and not because of anything that has to do with mia, then you'd have to say the same thing about "mo money, mo problems"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
you can enjoy whatever you like, deej, i'm just mocking your "consistency."
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
i think that the hook is a huge part of why mo money mo problems is popular. i think the rapping is too. its not an either/or thing per se
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:02 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark
youre doing a poor job of it
i mean i dont care one way or another if you guys love mia, yr gonna dig what you dig, im just expressing what i think is a fairly logically consistent argument about why shes not my cuppa, *plop*
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i agree w/ you about her as an MC or w/e -- you're just being really ignorant re: why people like "paper planes"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean, if u want to get at me for consistency, you might be able to argue re: that 'toot it and boot it' song i dig in the rolling ringtone thread, where the rapping is total garbage but the chorus has hooked me ... except that ive basically said as much every time ive brought it up. but then im not gonna year end whatever that group's name is' album
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
this is like when you & whiney get into arguments & you talk about how you know people irl who listen to certain rap & you know why they like it & whatever -- i think if you knew people irl who love "paper planes" (like i do, sadly) you would know that it has very little to do w/ the clash sample
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
imo here, but that melodic hook is the bulk of the reason that song is a hit, imo. i know there are people out there who appreciate her persona or whatever, but i think theres a big reason that song was a hit and not her more abrasive stuff
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
wait, is it officially sad to love "paper planes" now?
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i know people who like paper planes bro. i was at a bar the other night playing the buzzards band and this girl was like 'whos this covering MIA???' im just suggesting that its not the people you know who put that song on the charts
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
for people who don't give lots of pop/rap music the time of day, yes
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I couldn't stand the "Paper Planes" beat for a long time (not cause I didn't like the use of the sample, I'd never heard the Clash song previous...I just found the sound of it offputting) and eventually got into it cause I loved her vocals so much.
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
it's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?
xpost the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
and even then, im sure your friends like it because of the clash sample as well -- its totally catchy!! its the best part of the song
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i mean "paper planes" has its own hook, for one -- not to mention that the beat under the verses has "laffy taffy" drums which makes it v danceable
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link
the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:08 PM Bookmark
^^^
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link
"sunshowers" is a different story, but that's not a hit so it really doesn't matter
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, the laffy taffy drums are big part of why "Paper Planes" is awesome too
"Sunshowers" is the worst song on Arular imo
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link
t's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:08 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark
im talking about the melodic hook of the background, not her corny chorus or corny found-sound samples.
and its not 'bananas' to have opinions about songs miccio -- of course this consistency is entirely an internal system, just as your taste is for you. im not claiming some universal truth to my opinions!! its subjective, but yes i happen to think theres a line where i dig artist who i feel are 'adding something' to a sample, and dont dig artists who arent -- im not implying it has to be lyrically lyrical rap -- i like some eryakah badu one-track jacks (and think its goofy when ppl give props to others, like the new amerykah intro where i didnt think she was adding anything)
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link
the catchiest melody in "Paper Planes" is the verses, dude
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
you're just being an idiot -- "paper planes" relies on the sample as much (and less!) as tons of just blaze/kanye records do
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
again, you can like whatever you like, deej, but the only thing you're consistent about is thinking that songs you like add something and songs you don't don't.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
the song has multiple melodic 'hooks' -- im suggesting hers isnt the reason its a huge success, that clash sample once again is super catchy. rev can say whatever he wants about why he likes the song, but i think theres a reason that song was a hit and not, like, pull up the people
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i've danced to it a few too many times but i still love 'paper planes' a lot and i'm at pains to figure out what's sad about that
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
cuz it has a kitschy but memorable chorus and sounds like snap music?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought "Paper Planes" was a huge hit because it's very catchy and was marketed very well?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:12 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark
thats ... exactly what im saying? im not saying its wrong for you to think her melodies are like totally amazing! i do suspect that **most people** who love 'paper planes' find it harder to get into much of her other shit
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link
i think jordan was talking about like indie ppl loving paper planes. or something.
now i want a samosa.
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i think theres a reason that song was a hit and not, like, pull up the people
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:12 PM Bookmark
mebbe because it got used in two popular movies?
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:13 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark
i dont think anyone arguing this here disagrees with this -- we're arguing over which aspect of the song was 'very catchy' -- i think the sample was doing a lot of the heavy lifting
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:14 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark
that was the '1% marketing' thing. but my guess would be that if theyd used pull up the people instead, it wouldn't have been as big of a hit
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i dont think im being unreasonable or illogical or a screwball here guys -- not sure why this is considered so trolly
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i'm strawmanning college liberals who listen to the decemberists & times new viking
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link