I would not want to live in a world that did not have "Genius of Love" in it
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link
unperson's statement makes me think of:
marley - absurdly overrated uncle tom. eric clapton with boot polish.
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, May 21, 2004 1:25 AM Bookmark
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link
I got no problem with Tom Tom Club. But they weren't granted the sociopolitical weight/gravitas MIA is. My point is that she's no more philosophically rigorous than they were, but critics think (or in any case claim) she is because brown skin = instant cred.
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
shes not tanned she was born that way shes from sri lanka
― max, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
And I agree w/that opinion of Bob Marley, too, btw.
bob marley is a real person of african descent not a man who has put boot polish on his face
― max, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
thinking he meant like eric clapton but with shinier boots
― waka khan (samosa gibreel), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
― Born In A Test Tube, Raised In A Cage (unperson), Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:44 PM Bookmark
So basically what you're saying is that you are a racial essentialist dickbag, which of course we might have suspected after the Curvy Colombian incident. Gotcha.
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
ha, now that I think of that post, this one:
brown skin = instant cred.
is super-funny in light of it
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
unperson is right, rock critics really need to stop giving such preferential treatment to brown people
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link
true dat
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link
" you don't get hit singles from being amusical. "
no, you get hit singles by using the musicality of the clash & dr. buzzard's savannah band
and actually mlccl0 i think me being a rap fan makes this a more effective criticism -- puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to. this isnt an argument that you have to, like, be a huge 50 cent fan or some shit, but i think acknowledging that MIA's "hits" are 99% about the material shes jacking & 0% about her contributions and 1% about effective marketing, theres not really much else to say
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean, everyone makes such a big god damn deal about her hit(s?) like shes some major-league pop artist right now. im not sure shes more popular than sean kingston to most rap fans who were feeling 'swagger like us'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
obv shell have a much longer career than SK -- the kind of media coverage she gets basically has guaranteed her longevity -- i just remain wholly unimpressed by her music, and by the arguments ppl have made in favor of it
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
& yeah like al i totally thought of how it seemed like shes trying to one-up badu or something w/ a rather heavy-handed political statement
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
MIA's "hits" are 99% about the material shes jacking & 0% about her contributions and 1% about effective marketing
i felt this about jimmy from the last album, but nothing else.
very much looking forward to the new disc.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link
pull up the people, pull up the poor
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link
deej c'mon there's the same amount of sampling in "paper planes" as there is in, like, every bad boy production from that era that had samples
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
i.e. "mo money, mo problems" samples the beat AND the hook of "i'm comin out"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link
and "sunshowers" does the same thing pretty much that "lemonade" does
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,' its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.
who are YOU claiming solidarity with, brother man?
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link
MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'
this is just wrong & a real double standard on deej's part
its just generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally'), without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to.
this is obv strawmanning but i think there's likely a lot of truth to it as well
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
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― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:46 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i address exactly this in my post. read again
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe if MIA would get a biggie verse i would have no problem with it -- this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat
so you like "paper planes" then?
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:47 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
people who find 1-dimensional 'solidarity' to be corny?
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
jordan what arent you understanding? if biggie spit over it, i would probably like paper planes. i do like 'straight to hell'
i'm saying that it's bullshit to say that "paper planes" is popular because of the sample of the squeaky noise in the background of a clash song
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link
'the squeaky noise'?? its the entire beat, looped
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a real stretch to assume we share MIA's politics -- such as they are. She's more interested in lyrical bric-a-brac.
― cool and remote like dancing girls (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
puffy got a lot of shit for 'repurposing' but im pretty consistent w/ liking songs where something was added (i.e. 'mo money') and dissing shit where it wasnt ('ill be missing you'). MIA isnt adding anything remotely on the level of, like, what Ma$e brought to the table on 'feel so good,'
http://pubsecrets.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/screw-ball.jpg
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link
srsly this "something added vs. nothing added" shit is arbitrary and peabrained
yes its arbitrary to suggest that a biggie verse is better than mia yelling things
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
this is my point, MIA is not a worthwhile performer over any kind of beat
yeah this is my major problem with her. "politics" are only irritating insofar as other ppl like talking about them.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 3 May 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 9:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
right but you're trying to break things down in terms of popularity, not just quality -- if you're gonna say that "paper planes" is a hit because of the clash sample and not because of anything that has to do with mia, then you'd have to say the same thing about "mo money, mo problems"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
you can enjoy whatever you like, deej, i'm just mocking your "consistency."
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
i think that the hook is a huge part of why mo money mo problems is popular. i think the rapping is too. its not an either/or thing per se
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:02 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark
youre doing a poor job of it
i mean i dont care one way or another if you guys love mia, yr gonna dig what you dig, im just expressing what i think is a fairly logically consistent argument about why shes not my cuppa, *plop*
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i agree w/ you about her as an MC or w/e -- you're just being really ignorant re: why people like "paper planes"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean, if u want to get at me for consistency, you might be able to argue re: that 'toot it and boot it' song i dig in the rolling ringtone thread, where the rapping is total garbage but the chorus has hooked me ... except that ive basically said as much every time ive brought it up. but then im not gonna year end whatever that group's name is' album
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
this is like when you & whiney get into arguments & you talk about how you know people irl who listen to certain rap & you know why they like it & whatever -- i think if you knew people irl who love "paper planes" (like i do, sadly) you would know that it has very little to do w/ the clash sample
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
imo here, but that melodic hook is the bulk of the reason that song is a hit, imo. i know there are people out there who appreciate her persona or whatever, but i think theres a big reason that song was a hit and not her more abrasive stuff
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
wait, is it officially sad to love "paper planes" now?
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i know people who like paper planes bro. i was at a bar the other night playing the buzzards band and this girl was like 'whos this covering MIA???' im just suggesting that its not the people you know who put that song on the charts
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
for people who don't give lots of pop/rap music the time of day, yes
― J0rdan S., Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I couldn't stand the "Paper Planes" beat for a long time (not cause I didn't like the use of the sample, I'd never heard the Clash song previous...I just found the sound of it offputting) and eventually got into it cause I loved her vocals so much.
― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link
it's just bananas to suggest you make a point to never like a track that doesn't "add" to the interpolation, that you're consistent about only liking songs that "add" to the original. where's the arbitrary point where you've officially added something (like ma$e) than tossing on so much worthless garnish (like mia)?
xpost the "melodic hook" of paper planes isn't from "straight to hell" either
― da croupier, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
and even then, im sure your friends like it because of the clash sample as well -- its totally catchy!! its the best part of the song
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link
paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes paper planes
― la senora (surm), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link