i think both are great though xp
as for tim-- i've noticed more of like, i don't even know what you'd call it ( i always think of the way he stutters the drums), but like on "ayo technology" or "ice box" or "anonymous" or "elevator". those are the songs i think of when i think of tim's style/trend of the past few years, not really "sexy back" or even the furtado stuff
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
xp tot he rev: that shit's all coming from Miami
(maybe not geographically but that whole Miami sound which can probably be associated with what we're calling trance/crunk whatever)
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
"i'm so high" has a sort of electro thing going on, but I guess sonically it would fit with the trance&b type stuff
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I would buy the whole "My Love" thing except that it's almost twice as FAST as all the other shit in the trance-crunk trend...
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
fwiw, the r&b radio station here would never in a million years play Studdard or Levert (or Cyrus), but they certainly have played the hell out of "The Way I Are", and to a lesser extent, "Don't Stop the Music".
Also, "Love in the Club" is totally influenced by other things that have come out since "My Love". There's more than a year's worth of influence cycles left out of that equation.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
sensual seduction is kind of just a straight t-pain rip that could only be pulled off by a dude with a weird history like snoop-- musically it's not that far off from like 'bartender' or something
i love i'm so high because it sounds kinda timeless to me-- it could be from 3 years ago or 3 weeks ago or 3 years from now imo. no vocoder, no 4x4 shit etc.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
re: Miami
see: the Runners, Cool & Dre, and now Shawty Redd (not from MIA I know) is really running with that sound...big washy wynths, 120ish bpms, smooth vibe a la "Sensual seduction" it's VIBE music and it rules, watch Lil Wayne get way into this sound
this is getting confusing now
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah it is lol
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah matrix otm re miami sound-- it's more of a vibe, esp in the airy synths. that ball greezy track is another
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know if I consider it a "miami sound" per se because Timbo, The-Dream, Polow, Ryan Leslie, etc. aren't from miami
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
and they've all done that smooth, syhth-washed sound
yes that Grindmode is a perfect example of what I'm talking about...notice Rick Ross's whole album sounds like this besides one Bink production
and Ball greezy, and that Static ft. Wayne, and Shawty Redd "Drifter"
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
"My Love" is 60 bpm!
otm re Miami as the center of the trance-crunk thing, tho
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Lollipop doesn't really sound like that at all though!
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
the thing that i think is the difference between grind mode/ball greezy/lollipop/whatever we are calling "miami sound" is the simplicity, like polow/dream stuff is just way busier (not nec in a bad way), but that's what really struck me about "i'm so high"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Lollipop = "Low" + T-Pain
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
also spaciousness in the miami stuff
wait low has t-pain on it
Ryan Leslie I'll give you but the otehr stuff is different, it's more of a disco/rnb throwback stuff, which obviously blew up with "Sensual Seduction" but has been bubbling with a bunch of tracks that come more from RnB than they do from hip hop or crunk
"My Love" is 120 bpm in my book
aaaaannnndd "Lollipop" = some weird exception that I have not yet wrapped my head around
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
it's really cute watching you guys try to conflate about 5 different trends being followed by 50 different artists into one tidy narrative.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
so what I'm saying is "Love in this club" et al DO NOT EQUAL "miami sound"
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
why do you hate fun alex
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
alex in b'more: http://www.rondak.org/Images/publicfigs/cop4.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
wait til "Miami Vice" gets dropped as Weezy's second single (fingers crossed)...see rolling ringtone for a link
I don't think anyone's trying to squash this all into one narrative.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
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yo this was amazing
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know if I can agree with you guys painting the "miami sound" as cool and breezy - where does "i'm so hood" fit in? "the boss"? "we takin over"? hell, "drifter" is pretty intense - and isn't shawty redd from atl?
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
just cuz it comes from MIA doesnt mean it has to fit this sound we're talking about
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
guyz, it is hella snowing all of a sudden
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
but you referenced the runners as one of the creators of this sound and they produced 2 of those songs
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
where does "i'm so hood" fit in? "the boss"? "we takin over"?
yeah, this is the stuff I'm thinking of as "the Miami sound". That epic Runners/Cool & Dre sweep.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
well an i'm so hood/the boss etc are straight rap, whereas lollipop/im so high/shone are not. i wouldn't lump the ross album in with those, though that has a distinct miami sounds, but it's distinct miami rap
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
it's an actual trend that is emerging, I think, but it's not like you go to miami and all you hear is "I'm So High" or anything...that's all part of it, Rick Ross is on the remix, his album sounds like all this stuff, its a movement not a genre,it encompasses different styles
also add "All That Money" to miami sound
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
polow/dream/atl has way more of a back catalog to look at as far as r&b contemp r&b songs than does miami, which i'm only referencing as the three i brought up already
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
yea matrix otm re: all that money
yeah but they've shifted along with Shawty Redd to a more vibey sound, I mean SHawty Redd went from Jeezy's first album to "Sensual Seduction"!!! there's clearly something goin on there...
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
xp about the runners
whats "all that money"?
and I'm going to have to check out rick ross' album
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link
all that money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=076BFf7Ekgs
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
it's great! xp trilla
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
one of my fave songs of the year-- i've been telling people it sounds like sensual seduction-- it just has that same vibe, really light and breezy (no vocoder though)
lots of xps: yeah, but that Miami rap sound carries over to stuff like "Lollipop" (haha I forgot T-Pain was on there, good calling me out you fucker) and "Love In the Club", not so much something like "I'm So High" (which seems to take its cues from "Sensual Seduction") and let's pretend there's some huge impenetrable barrier between rap & r&b, ffs.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah trilla is actually really good-- idk why people are hating on it so much esp. after his last album got the "dont wanna like this but i do" treatment
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
I should add "Driter" in too when I say "Sensual Seduction".
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
at least we can all agree that everything mentioned in this thread is better than 'american boy'
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
woah @ this dro song, damn.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm going to have to hear the Rick Ross album now, too.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
yea I think the confusion is that Miami blew up as a RAP crew ie: Khaled tracks
but there is also something else going on that may or may not be influencing that rap crew
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link
except for "Love in This Club" : D : D : D
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
oops, wrong quote.