Who do the British seemingly hate Q Magazine?

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"The problem with the Wire is that they have Ads instead of actual reviews."

That's not actually true though is it?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:07 (twenty years ago) link

I think what he's talking abt is the amount of good reviews that the mag gives.

Its a fair point.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:14 (twenty years ago) link

Yes it is. 'Ads' implies that there's a paucity of critical comment in the reviews, however, which I don't think the magazine is guilty of. That's probably for another thread, though.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:30 (twenty years ago) link

Btw. speaking of classical music, somebody mentioned the "Moonlight Sonata" earlier on. You realise that that work was more or less Beethoven's "Yesterday"?. And you are right, people are more familiar with that one (and "Für Elise") than they are with his Ninth Symphony (which would be more like his "Tomorrow Never Knows" in a way).

Doesn't this tell you that while cutting edge creativeness does get remembered, it is still the really great tunes that are really remembered?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

I hurt myself yesterday, but I didn't hurt myself today. Doesn't that tell you that yesterday was objectively closer to being the Apocalypse than today is?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 6 November 2003 06:56 (twenty years ago) link

I ask Satan that very question each and every day!

jazz odysseus, Thursday, 6 November 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

Its not replying to geir part 73584652.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 November 2003 09:10 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
THE Q TONE

* Q will be:

Definitive

The inside story

Informative

Useful

Funny… but never whacky

Credible

All encompassing

Accessible

… And it will know what it’s talking about

* The 9 Do’s of Q writing/editorial:

1/ Do be smart, but never cleverer than the reader

2/ Do avoid stock phrases. Q will use language that is its own, not the latest in phrases/words/sayings. We stand apart.

3/ Do be the readers’ guide without patronising them.

4/ Do be irreverent, but do so with authority and affection.

5/ Do fear the pun.

6/ Do take our own view entirely separate from both hype and accepted wisdom.

7/ Do be passionate.

8/ Do be prepared to stick our necks out.

9/ Do deliver the complete picture.

* The 9 Don’ts of Q writing/editorial:

1/ Don’t dumb down for the reader.

2/ Don’t be lazy: ie. Using clichés, praising one artist at the expense of damning another.

3/ Don’t use flowery language.

4/ Don’t assume knowledge.

5/ Don’t be a smart arse.

6/ Don’t force the humour (ie. if a caption is best served with a simple piece of information, use it).

7/ Don’t assume knowledge.

8/ Don’t just ask the obvious question.

9/ Don’t ever write: ‘The best album since…’

MeejaInsider (MeejaInsider), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Do avoid stock phrases.

We stand apart.

stick out necks out.

the complete picture.

10. Do assume that all readers have the average mental capacity of a three-year-old Down's sufferer.

11. Do give at least four stars to new releases by major artists for fear they won't give the magazine an exclusive interview.

12. Scratch certain PR agencies' backs and they'll scratch yours. Particularly applicable to those contributors who are contracted to write exclusively about artists handled by one specific PR agency.

13. Do not use language. Emoticons and star ratings are all our thrusting Thatcherkid readership has time to require.

14. Emap shareholders pay your wages.

15. Do be compliant.

16. David Cameron will be the next Prime Minister.

17. Do remember that music has been shit since "Friday I'm In Love" by the Cure.

18. Do not under any circumstances cite track seventeen of the second Bubonique album.

19. We are in charge.

20. Any Trouble are the great hope for 2007.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Q magazine - established mainstream music of the 80s and 90s, plus following whatever NME hypes in the 00s

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

1/ Do be smart, but never cleverer than the reader

1/ Don’t dumb down for the reader.


AAAAAAHHHHH what's a smart-ass to do????

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do they even need all those rules when album reviews are capsuled at only 8- words?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

The reason why hip-hop and dance-fans hate Q is that Q does write about hip-hop and dance, only they don't give those genres more attention than they deserve.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Shouldn't that be: THE 50 GREATEST "Q" DOS AND DON'TS OF ALL TIME!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

LOOK, JOHN LYDON AGREES WITH ME!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

HI ALEX!!!! good to see you on ILM!!

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

How noble of Q Magazine Lifetime Achievement Award winner John Lydon to speak approvingly of Q Magazine.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link

whoops, you mean ‘Inspiration Award.’

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yikes! that rotating jpg that now adorns the top of this thread! What a rogues gallery (Kate 'n' Madonna 'n' Britney exempted).

also - who the flippin 'eck is Johnny Borrell?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

who the flippin 'eck is Johnny Borrell?

The git out of Razorlight, prone to pronouncing his own genius at every given opportunity.

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"because it's for old farts. semi-bald, somewhat overweight high school teachers in their late thirties who worship jimi hendrix's ghost and wish for the second coming of grunge. or U2. or both."

Yo, I don't fit into any of those categories and I read Q.

Although I am vaguely thinking of giving it up in light of the fact that they're going to dump their free CDs and their movie, DVD and game reviews. Of course, if the dumping of the above reviews means longer write-ups per CD, then I might stay.

Another thing is - why the heck do they kiss ass to Johnny Borrell all the ****ing time? His band's 'music' isn't even that good. I bought the first CD, and it was mostly crap, with only one half-decent song. I don't want to even touch CD#2 with a 10-foot pole, thank you very much. And yet they're claiming JB to be the greatest genius of the C21, or something like that. WHYYY?!

GLC (ZakAce), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, the choices choices

http://www.q4music.com/nav?page=q4music.about.currentissue

wonder which one my outer sticks newsagent will have stocked.

odds on for the britney spears cover ? doubtful.

while the choice of folks is obvious on the whole (no hip hop??), the dido one is rather baffling.

should mojo be getting concerned over this new direction i wonder, a direct assualt on the £50 man, or whatever tag they give the poor bugger these days.

though i do like the revised focus back onto music - i may just give it one last go (the dreadful naked courtney love issue was the previous last straw for me)

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

is this thread a joke?

baboon2004 (baboon2004), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Publishing first"?

Loaded mag did this, years ago. Tons of alternate covers, all were spectacularly good.

After that, they'd jumped the shark. But what a shark!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:25 (seventeen years ago) link

while the choice of folks is obvious on the whole (no hip hop??), the dido one is rather baffling.

apparently the dido one was a last minute change. it was going to be pj harvey - except she answered the question "what does q mean to you now?" with "er, not much, i don't really consider it a music magazine any more" and was immediately pulled.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah! rayyyy for PJ!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"surely the equiv. of London Review of Books would be London Review of CDs?"

The London Review of Books doesn't just review books, though - it also carries long, stand-alone articles about politics, current affairs etc. I like the idea of the London Review of Music, I must say.

bham (bham), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

woah that britney cover (tries not to have any feelings for it other than admiration of her impending motherhood)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

So, any ideas on how can we go about making the idea a reality? (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

it would help if anyone had lots of spare cash floating around!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I ought to go on Dragons Den with the idea.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The London Review of Books doesn't just review books, though - it also carries long, stand-alone articles about politics, current affairs etc. I like the idea of the London Review of Music, I must say.

I've often thought about this. The LRB did review a Herbert CD though!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

LRB only survives because of massive Arts Council subsidy -- to chagrin of TLS.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/images/home_duncan_bannatyne.jpg

"presumably an LRM would be done for love not profit. therefore I'M OUT"

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I think if handled correctly it would be profitable.

I'm not sure I would seek assistance from the ex-bassist of Rhythm System, however.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I know some people would like to pretend that only hip-hop exists, and that all other forms of music ceased existing in the 80s.

But, luckily, that is not the case. As evident on Q covers and elsewhere.

Btw. Q does write about hip-hop. All major hip-hop releases are reviewed and the biggest names are also featured in articles. Plus there are usually a couple of hip-hop albums in their year-end list, which is a fitting number considering hip-hop is just one out of hundreds of music genres.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

and out of those hundred it has managed to attract literally dozens of fans around the world, including even in the UK.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I know some people would like to pretend that only white people exist, and that all other races ceased existing in 1939.

But, luckily, that is not the case.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

wonder if they tried to get Stevie Wonder and Prince for the 20 covers thing.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:52 (seventeen years ago) link

q: What does Q magazine mean to you?
SteveOrPrince : Mever heard of it.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the first here to wonder "Who do the British seemingly hate Q Magazine?" is missing a comma?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:05 (seventeen years ago) link

If it were, it would have to be "Whom do the British seemingly hate, Q Magazine?"

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

and out of those hundred it has managed to attract literally dozens of fans around the world, including even in the UK.

It has also managed to start its own magazines, writing exclusively about hip-hop, and I guess hip-hop-fans are more likely to read those.

Besides, even though hip-hop may seem dominant in the singles list doesn't mean it is dominant within the entire population. Among kids, maybe (although not as dominant as it was a few years ago), but not among most people out of all ages.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Some of Geir's best friends are coloured.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost and your point is..?

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The point is, if you have a magazine that is supposed to cover all kinds of (popular) music, then hip-hop doesn't need to claim that much of a space. Particularly not in a UK mag, given that hip-hop (not to mention contemporary R&B) is mainly a US thing.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

But does it claim to cover "all" music?

I gave it a flick through at a petrol station. Umm, fine but that's the relaunch version?

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 5 October 2006 07:27 (seventeen years ago) link

this idea of the london review of cds comes up all the time. ew, gross. wouldn't want to read articles about written about music the way they write about books.

the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Thursday, 5 October 2006 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Well fuck off then, we don't want people like you reading it.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 5 October 2006 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

But does it claim to cover "all" music?

It does cover all kinds of popular music. Including hip-hop/R&B/techno/metal, just not to the same extent that more specialized genre magazines too.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 5 October 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link


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