― don (dow), Sunday, 16 July 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 July 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 16 July 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Sunday, 16 July 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)
(chuck, are you registered anywhere, or is this not elopement?)
― anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 16 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)
Hah! I kept mine in the john for a couple months (hey, it's a long book)...
David's one of my best friends and I've said this before but everybody on this thread should own it. It's a great reference for one but also a provocative and inspiring read--in the sense that it'll send you hunting for a lot of country records you either never heard or had forgotten about.
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 16 July 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.lexjansen.com/marsh/index.htm
Very cool online database to the book, plus more lists including Heartaches, Hoskyns' Country Soul book, Doo-wop and R&B vocal groups. No Stairway though :(
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 16 July 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)
My advice is 'don't bother.' Unless, of course, you actually care about an oral history of Slayer, one never actually quoted to any interesting extent, or the occasional "I like [this band that moves more promotional copies than it sells]" doggerel.
― Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Sunday, 16 July 2006 17:43 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.emusic.com/genre/feature/200606/286.html
― Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)
or to put it another way, people want to fuck him but he doesnt want to fuck anyone, (but his desire not to fuck anyone isnt that elegant glacial, refusal, because that being in sixth gear schitck is, in addition to homosocalism, drinking, etc)
there was always a sublimated homoeroticism to the frat boy nonesense, but i never got anything sublimated in chesney...
that said every major male country performer has more of that beatlemania, audience/performer sexual frisson then chesney.
i dont think hes a bottom boy, and i dont think hes butch, i think that he is a really slippery sexual signifer, the binaries we use to talk about people (audience/performer, gay/straight, butch/femme, top/bottom) all fall down around kenny boy.
(how would he be in bed?)
and where would i send this essay if i was to write it
― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 20 July 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 20 July 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)
(Not that the two need be mutually exclusive.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 21 July 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Friday, 21 July 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)
I'm doing stuff on Trent Willmon and the Duhks for the Scene, so I hope I'm getting their back catalog, which I gave away to a friend who's way into them and the Mammals and that sort of neograss.
I've talked to Friskics-Warren about the country singles book, and I think he'd admit that those '80s acts are problematic, in there. And Bill's a socially relevant kind of writer; it's not my take on country in some ways, but it's a really useful book. The thing is, there are probably 1000 country singles that are pretty great and essential.
hey Anthony, I got some tomatoes came in, want me to mail you a box of 'em? I am contemplating a crisp, tart BLT today. seriously, Anthony, ain't got the Bennett yet; seems like it takes a while thru customs and so forth.
and got the Rhino Willie Atlantic set; that is music I'm barely familiar with. Xgau rates "Phases and Stages" and "Shotgun" pretty high; so I guess I'll delve into it. I'm a nominal Willie Nelson fan; when he's on, he's on; I like what he tries to do; and even when I saw him as a guest star on "Monk," one of the few TV shows I really try to watch (still trying to decide if I think Traylor Howard is a better sidekick than Bitty Schram, the latter I found kinda sexy, OK, but Traylor has really grown on me), his offhand timing seems to me the whole point, the way his guitar phrases in between his vocals. I guess I wish it were more defined, a bit crazier, or something.
But I am a sucker for singers going to Alabama and sharing a joint with Jerry Wexler in the Tuscumbia Holiday Inn, so I got it up to play.
And I got the new Howard Tate record--his takes on Newman's "Louisiana 1927" and "I'll Be Home" are amazing. We'll see if he actually finds a label or if it's totally self-released. But it's a remarkable piece of work, and actually a song suite, and takes some work to listen to--more work than Joe Henry generally requires, and to my ears far more sophisticated.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 22 July 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)
and i ahe no idea where the bennett went, i ahve had so much trouble with the post, i sent something to brooklyn a month ago, and it was sent back, though the address was correct. apparently the building didnt exist according to canada post. i wonder if i am on some government watch lsit. (i feel bad, but scouts honour, i sent that cd)
― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 22 July 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)
also has everyone given up on los lonely boys? new album dont seem too horrible
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 22 July 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Saturday, 22 July 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)
and anthony, you know I'm pullin' your leg. about the tomatoes. man, this guy hit me in the head with some tomatoes! it hurt! shit, that don't sound like it would hurt so much. yeah, but them tomatoes was in a can.
and the bennett, anthony, it'll arrive; gotta go thru customs. no sweat.
man, just tired, kinda seeing everything thru a haze of exhaustion, as my mother enters into what are probably her final weeks if not days. gotta recharge, but it's gonna take awhile. i'm so behind on what I want and need to listen to, not behind on work, and it's real hard to concentrate. tomorrow I'm taking the time to make real good notes on Trent Willmon--doesn't he have a previous record, has anyone heard it?
and yeah, Bitty Schram--she looked like she had a past, one sexy woman. I was kinda hoping Monk and Traylor might, eh, make it, but that's too much to ask in that or any world. Sex is so dirty.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 23 July 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)
Also this Los Lonely Boys album is pretty countrified in many places and (despite the fact that they cannot write any kind of lyrics really) I like it. Nice vocal cameos from father Enrique Sr. and Willie on "Outlaws".
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 24 July 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Rudy Wontfail (dow), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)
Which--at first weirdly--led me to think of the story of Dr. Winifred ‘Fred’ Burkle, the cute/brilliant physicist of Tim Minear and Joss Whedon’s ANGEL.
When we meet her, Fred, the daughter of a stable, middle class Texas family, has been trapped in a ‘demon dimension’ for five years, basically living as a slave to some horrid creatures. Angel aka The Heroic Vampire with a Soul, saves her from this nasty fate, and takes her back to LA, where she joins his investigative squad--which is also benefitting from/being corrupted by a transdimensional Evil Corporate Law Firm.
Anyway--Fred gets home. The firs thing she does?
Puts up a Dixie Chicks poster, which clearly gives her great pleasure.
When Fred thumb-tacked that poster of the Chicks on the wall as a way to imprint her identity on this blank new space, I went “Yes!” instinctively. It was such a great meta moment, was true to Fred the character and illuminating about both the Chicks and their fans.
Fred’s a little ‘country’ (the Texas accent, ‘good’ manners, etc.) and more than a little urban (her exemplary professionalism and don’t-fuck-with-me asskickiness when pushed) and because she’s both, she’d kind of neither--which is where the Dixie Chicks themselves find themselves on this CD--and hence Fred fitting both in metaphorical and dramaturgical terms in into an absurdist milieu that includes such other square pegs as a good-demon karaoke telepath, vampire-with-a-soul, both IS the Dixie Chicks--the cute/non-submissive sexuality
There’s a series of identity negations in Fred and the Dixie Chicks and their fans that creates a kind of amazing and delightful sense of being--like Fred--’outsiders’ deep inside a multimillion-dollar mass enterprise. But that this negation informs all of this is also kind of depressing and kind of accurate. That to be Fred/The Dixie Chicks, that is, to import all the humane stuff of country--the tales of suffering and (usually too neat) triumph, the super-pretty harmonies, the sense of smart and kindness--which runs against the Toby Keith-ian vein of ego-drunk bellicosity--you end up in this new nowhere land populated by tons of people.
And so it makes poetic sense that, as Frank pointed out, the new Chicks CD is both terrific and a bit of a letdown--because, in my take, it IS a letdown that these things can’t as yet be fused into one coherent whole.
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)
or even if i pretend that they don't (because, uh, sometimes they DO, you know.)
incidentally when i got home home to queens monday night our front door had the extension cord for the landlord's son's big ass power generator running through it. power had been out here in sunnyside since wednesday, so we took an extra night before coming back; it got turned back on only two and a half hours after we got back in, which meant that all the emergency supplies we'd picked up in bucks county monday morning (battery-run fans and lanterns, candles, a stovetop coffee percolator, lots of backup batteries) will have to go into storage until the next con-ed fuckup. too bad the dry ice won't keep that long. but we only had maybe $50 of rotten groceries in the fridge when we got back, and we obviously picked the right week to out of the burough, even if we missed all the excitement.
anthony, edd, etc, thanks for the well wishes by the way. and edd, thanks again for the charlie rich burn, which came while i was gone, and which is in my CD changer now. (i also found a used copy of a 1974 comp of '60s charlie called *fully realized* for 50 cents in an antique barn in jeffersonville -- well, the second disc of the double LP anyway -- and brought that back with me. so these should at least help me start getting up to speed. inscription on the back of the comp says it was originally released in 1965 and 1966 as *the many new sides of charlie rich* and *fast talkin' slow walkin' good lookin' charlie rich,* both of which titles sound quite promising.)
also edd, keep your chin up. my thoughts are still with you.
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)
brewer & shipley - the best of - double LPdr hook - pleasure & pain LP (not disco-country enough, sounds like)freddy fender - the best of LPian gomm - gomm with the wind LP (pub rock was kind of country, right? so maybe i should list the bram tchaicovsky album here too, but i won't...also won't list gap band's 1976 indie-label self-titled album despite their wearing of cowboy hats or bighorn despite bighorn sheep being rural beasts beloved by southern rockers)charly mcclain - greatest hits LP (sounds surprsingly good so far)charlie rich - fully realized LP (second disc only of two-disc set)t.g. sheppard - i love 'em all LP (also not disco-country enough)hank snow - the wreck on the old 97 double LP (badass train wreck on cover)steeleye span - the steeleye span story: original masters double LP (somebody compared a montgomery gentry song to them once)hank williams jr - whiskey bent and hellbound LP*viennese waltzes* 10-inch compilation EP (probably influenced country dance music somehow, right?)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)
i'm also wondering if it's about time somebody came up with a theory about how country's current shoutout thing (trent willmon putting on some ray willie hubbard, jake owen putting on some hank jr, rodney atkins putting on lots of skynyrd in one song and some milsap in another song) should be considered a trend for the post--hop-hop age, but that's just silly since david allen coe and everybody like that did it all the time years ago, right? (but maybe the specific names dropped are getting more interesting? it's so fucking boring when eveybody's always listening to hank and merle all the time. though shooter replacing nugent with george jones was okay, i guess.)
― xhuxk (xheddy), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)
haikuyou are also forgetting the faboulous chick version of hillbilly by reba/dolly/loretta--much better then the original
― anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)
xxhuxx you might want to check out aaron pritchett in general and hold my beer as a single--its pretty awesome.
http://www.aaronpritchett.com/downloads.phpvideo here
― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 27 July 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:21 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:24 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)
― don (dow), Thursday, 27 July 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)
And Anthony I am referring specifically to Reba getting kuntry kudos for dissing the Dixie Chicks behind their backs. Always a great voice and an appealing personality which doesn't come thru on the show. But she is now part of the Axis of Evil, eff her.
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 27 July 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 31 July 2006 05:38 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 05:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)
This is being taken out of context by a lot of people who have only read part of the quote, or interpreted as "CHIX DISS KUNTRY STARZ CUZ THEY HATE BLU COLLAR TV AND 'PUBLICANZ" but I don't think she meant it like that. Still kind of a dumb thing to admit out loud though.
― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/dixie_chicks/message_board.jhtml?c=v&t=727264&m=5543246&o=0&i=4
By the way, that 1970 Charlie Rich album that Edd burned for me, Big Boss Man, is great; my favorite songs on it are "Nice 'n' Easy," "I Can't Even Drink It Away," "Big Boss Man," "Golden Slipper Rose," and the excellently titled "I Do My Swingin' at Home," with probably "Memphis and Arkansas Bridge" next, and the two early '60s singles he added at the end, "Lonely Weekends" and "Who Will the Next Fool Be," at least as good. But I might like the second disc of that Fully Realized twofer LP I bought (aka either Fast Talkin Slow Walkin Good Lookin Charlie Rich or The Best Years, from 1966 on Smash -- Peter Guralnik's liner notes seem confusingly to contradict the note on the back of the album) even more; I'm kinda blown away by how funky the guy could be.
― xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)