does anyone still like Belle and Sebastian?

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There are no bollocks in the record at all.

That is either a compliment or officially the most Geezaesthetic comment ever made about a pop record.

(I haven't heard it.)

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

Does this song bear more than a slight resemblance to "The Boys Are Back In Town" or am I just being swayed by the line about going to Tokyo to listen to "Thin Lizzy-o"?

it is 'The Boys Are Back In Town' altered enough to avoid legal hassles.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

the third song makes them out to be big fans of the two edwin moses records. i think the record is fantastic, they've dropped all pretense over being serious or heavy and it's fun and even, at times, soulful.

keith (keithmcl), Monday, 13 October 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

I fear it may be the latter PF.

Gave it a couple more goes over the weekend, still saddened, and people are BOTM re: on broadway and Out in the country.

My favourite (for what it's worth) = the baseball-based acoustic number (don't have a track listing)

least favourite - either asleep on a sunbeam or stay loose

chris (chris), Monday, 13 October 2003 08:45 (twenty years ago) link

Do you think the bollocks went missing with Isobel, Chris? If so, can they be tracked down on her new solo record?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 13 October 2003 08:49 (twenty years ago) link

indeed, whither the bollocks?

I'm not going so far as buying IC's album though, I've made that mistake before.

chris (chris), Monday, 13 October 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

My feelings about the new record:

i) it does not really sound like it's by B&S; there are many bands in the world who don't sound like B&S so I don't really see the point of B&S becoming one of them.

ii) my suspicion is that the best thing about the record is the production - i.e. the songwriting is not very good. My opinion on this may change. This does not stop me enjoying the record.

I've not really made up my mind on this album.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 13 October 2003 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Lots of the songs off the new one album sound like somebody else. There is the boys are back in town one, the good vibrations one, the ashes to ashes mixed with "strange idols pattern era" Felt one, and the Cliff Richard "Out in the Country" one.

I think I quite like it.

flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 13 October 2003 11:18 (twenty years ago) link

hmm, time to update http://www.geocities.com/carsmilesteve/allmusicisintrinsicallylinked.htm i think...

also on dear catastrophe waitress (the song) struan sings "town" and "clown" just like nico on femme fatale.

i think i like the album, but it does tail off a bit, esp if you find yourself caught in love which has horrendously trite lyrics.

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

also, I'm not keen on that lengthy piano intro on If You Find Yourself Caught in Love. It doesn't really fit - it has more in common with the preceding track Lord Anthony. Reminds me a bit of Spectral Morning from Felt's Train Across the City (this was the Felt album which wasn't really Felt as Lawrence wasn't on it!).

I don't know whether the b&s practice of writing songs which are performed on Peel sessions or live but don't come out on records (or at least, don't for years and years) is something that a lot of bands do, but I don't get to hear about it coz I'm not into them as much, or whether b&s really do this more than anyone else. It is frustrating tho....I mean, I can understand why they delayed the release of Tigermilking on CD until '99 as the mystique surrounding the limited vinyl pressing did the band a lot of favours and stringing us along for so long contributed to b&s's success, but there is a bafflingly long list of unreleased songs. Ppl go on about Rhoda, presumably as it's the oldest, but what about Paper Boat, Magic of a Kind Word, Miraculous Technique? These 3 songs are better than most of the songs on DCW, IMHO.

The danger of doing this is that the live recording which we have heard becomes the standard in our minds and if the eventual release lacks something which we thought made the live versh great, then disappointment is the inevitable result. For example, I much prefer the versh of Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner performed on The Tube to the sparser recorded versh which eventually appeared.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 13 October 2003 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Pocketbook angel is another that I'm surprised never saw the light of day, I really like that song.

With regards to live gigs, some of the live sets I've heard are *very* good, far better than the album versions in some cases, plus there's the usually interesting cover versions. Paris from last year is especially good (I recorded it myself but thesound quality in that place was fantastic, and the songs were all good)

chris (chris), Monday, 13 October 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

'Paper Boat' - rubbishy and written by departed Stuart David anyway

'Magic Of A Kind Word' - rubbishy and probably written by departed Campbell

'Miraculous Technique' - pretty good. Maybe it will come out eventually, like 'Lord Anthony' and 'The Loneliness Of A Middle Distance Runner' did.

'Pocketbook Angel' - good but I guess Murdoch sees it as part of his juvenilia now. Especially as it contains that 'ooh arr - it's full of silicon chips', which doesn't really sit well with his new iPod and DVD kitted technodad image. 'Hurley's Having Dreams' is better anyway.

'Shoot The Sexual Athlete' is the best of all.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 October 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link

'(My Girl's Got) Miraculous Technique' is perhaps too tied to a now dead relationship to get released.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 October 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

Does Mark E H remember when Chalky's in Gloucester Green stocked the bootleg CD of Tigermilk + Radio 1 session tracks - '98-ish? A snip at £15, as I recall.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 October 2003 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

there's a "silicon chips" line in I Know Where The Summer Goes! Does he really sing it in Pocketbook Angel too?

Mark E H *wishes* he remembers.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 13 October 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

Actually I'm surprised that I was surrounded by a good chunk of the London Sinister massive on Saturday night and you did not take me to task for past statements.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 October 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

I was getting my 'silicon chips' mixed up with my 'computer discs', Mark. Whoops!

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 13 October 2003 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

I like 'Magic of a Kind Word' :(

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
note to thin lizzy fans: the thin lizzy thing discussed above is a canard. this record will disappoint you.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

I think I dropped my lolly in that patch of heather, mummy.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

I was watching Fans Only last night, and really wish I still loved them like I did back in the day. I'm still not entirely sure about the new album, but I wasn't that sure about Storytelling either and it's grown on me. But maybe that's my fault not Belle and Sebastian's. I'm just getting jaded, I think. I do still unreservedly like them a lot.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 29 October 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

This thread is further proof that the Dirty Vicar is wrong about everything.

Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

it's turning into proof that you bring shame on Sinister.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 30 October 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
New track 'Your Cover's Blown'. Is this the direction they should be pursuing. I say yes.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

's only out in europe, no?

j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I got it on an MP3 blog. I've forgotten which one, now.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, it was Tang Monkey.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"your cover's blown" is great. it's the first song of theirs that dabbles in whatever you would call that style that i actually enjoy.

shut up, Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Not that they're the same, but what do you think of 'Stay Loose' and 'Don't Leave The Light On Baby'?

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

it's out today, the first new B&S i've bought in a while. comes as "enhanced" cd single with video or dvd single with same tracks.

video is here btw: http://www.xfm.co.uk/Article.asp?id=27910

koogs (koogs), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

this song is FREQ.

peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 21 June 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

My head is confused

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 21 June 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I have bought it TWICE.

'Stu-Pod Buys the Farm'

!!!

???

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 June 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"Your Cover's Blown" reminds me of the Triffids circa The Black Swan. They seem keen to confound expectations, to cease being unfunky indie lads, but fail here to deliver a good song to pin it on.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, that's kind of what I feel, but they've been pushing at this for ages, and part of me thinks the song is stronger than it seems at first.

I always assume it's Chris Geddes behind all these experiments.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 06:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i like this. i dont so much like that this might have been a logical linear conclusion cos i'm fond of the song's... ambivalence, for want of a better word. i dont mean insincerity, it is sincere i would like to think, just noncommittal about any direction really

prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Your Cover's Blown" is FANTASTIC... as was "I'm A Cuckoo" (Avalanches remix). So that's two essential B&S singles in the last six months, then. Blimey, whodathunkit?

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Right, I shall buy the single, lunchtime.

The last single had a cool DVD edition, basically exactly the same as the 4 track CD single with videos for two tracks (cunning to hide the vid at the end of the third track (that's actually two tracks in one, yeah?))

The last single reawakened my appr. for B&S after downloading a few storyteller tracks and going oh forget it.

So, If the single is as great as all that, I shall buy the album. At fopp. if.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Did they really have to pay The Shadows 20% of the royalties of 'WuiB'? Or was Mad Dog messing about in the Botanics the other week?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 09:59 (nineteen years ago) link

No, they did. But the press up here had it that plucky local heroes B&S were played the Cliff song by someone, and horrified at the coincidental similarity, unilaterally decided to offer the 20% cut.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

The funny thing was, I heared the story and hadn't both
1) Heared "Wrapped up in books"
2) knew which cliff and the shads song they had 'nicked'

and I said "That has to be "in the country", surely...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

What does this new song sound like?

Also, I have never heard 'In The Country'. What is it really like?

I think I must still like Belle & Sebastian.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

the new single is terrific

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"In the country" goes:

Baaa
ba ba ba baaaa
ba ba ba baaaa
ba ba ba baaaa

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"Your Cover's Blown" is the worst single of 2004.

Otis Wheeler (Otis Wheeler), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a credit on the single sleeve: "A tip of the hat to the Shadows". (As the Shads backed Cliff on "In The Country".)

Tip of the hat, indeed. The sauce!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

out in the country innit?

Pf it's the one that goes "you're going to find me, out in the country" and going on about it's where the weather's fine etc

chris (chris), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never heard it.

Are you people saying that B&S are releasing a new song, as a new single?

The other day, on the Ross show, they talked about Ken Bruce. Did you hear it?

the bellefox, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Do keep up. It's a double A side. One old, one new.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Do keep up. It's an EP. One old, three new.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link


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