Looking back, what's the biggest bullshit, musically speaking, that you fell for in the 00s

I think someone on ilm compared him to Dan Fogelberg

My 50-something year old mother enjoys the sounds of both of these dudes, fwiw.

what do you have against Dan Fogelberg?

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier)

a restraining order

long story

that being said, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY POOL, FOGELBERG!

That guy always shows up at my New Years' parties and I ALWAYS throw him out...

Fogelberg/Iron & Wine comparison is OK. I liked the first Iron & Wine record a lot -- still do! Everything else has been fairly meh. But that first one is special.

Oh that filthy Dan guy! 'Don't Fogelberg that pool' is pretty common slang round here tbh.

i thought it was a different dan that did something in John's pool so was banned from it

'Don't Poco the fridge!'

pfunkboy, I don't get that joke, maybe you could explain it?

no

I also used to listen to Wolf Eyes, Hair Police and some of those bands. Doesn't really interest me anymore. The turning point was when I saw Hive Mind play. Dude was hanging out during the opening acts, then right before his slot he goes out to his car to get a hoodie. But not because it was cold. It was part of his look, the hood pulled as far over his face as possible. I found myself laughing during his set. Then I saw Wolf Eyes without Dilloway and was thoroughly disappointed.

then right before his slot he goes out to his car to get a hoodie. But not because it was cold. It was part of his look, the hood pulled as far over his face as possible.

This = loooooooooooooooool!!

lolz omg how dare a performer have a costume

and a hoodie! my goodness

i still love iron & wine. and the fogelberg comparison might work with the voice (fragile, wispy), but not with the lyrics. fogelberg is all kitsch. sam beam is a very good lyricist.

but whatevs. i realize iron & wine is a pretty devisive act.

I have no problem with costumes! I just thought this was a funny attempt.

Rilo Kiley

fwiw i totally <3 the like "let friends and shows get you into bands" sentiment but uhh this is not my life atm (plenty of friends but only a couple who i can talk music with)--if i want to keep up on new music reading criticism and reviews and shit is kind of key.

Don't know why it has to be an either/or thing. Lots of music out there; lots of places to find out about it.

agreed

why restrict yourself

melodic metalcore. when it first came out, I started with Shadow's Fall's "Of One Blood", and of course Killswitch Engage, and it sounded neat....kind of like a more mainstream version of Sentenced's "Amok" with poppy choruses. I also saw God Forbid live and thought they were neat. I really thought at one point this style was great and that it would keep developing.

The problem was, subsequent releases by some of the 'top' bands of the genre started to sound tepid and stale. Like I still like Killswitch Engage but they seem to make less memorable music with each release (though I found the newest one surprisingly good). The formula of Iron Maiden-cum-thrash tinged versus + emo chorus only had a certain degree of shelf life and since few if any acts seem to want to do anything interesting with it, I've given up on it.

Now I consider myself lucky if I go to one metal concert without hearing some terrible melodic metalcore band.

that should have said "thrash tinged verses"

haha you listened to metalcore! ;)

yep. and paid money for it :). thankfully not too much.

somedays I really wish these kids would watch a Converge show so they can realize they should sell their instruments.

They probably haven't heard Converge tbh. I doubt they ever get on headbangers ball.

haha I don't know why I was harsh on Iron&Wine at first.

I am still retroactively charmed by my own affection for a lot of records I'd never listen to today. a few things I bought & was never impressed by, but otherwise its just different levels of fading intensity, can't think of any significant positive reactions that I've 180'd on. definitely strong feelings that I identify w/ less now though; I was very drunk&lively during a Death From Above 1979 set, not really heard them since but pretty sure that wasn't my finest hour of aesthetic engagement.

I'm just thankful I never got into Mars Volta.

^Again, could be a potential answer of mine, but Frances The Mute and some of the tracks off the other early albums are good enough to dispel this

haha I don't know why I was harsh on Iron&Wine at first.

i mean, i get why people dislike I & W. fwiw, his body of work resonates with me more than almost any other artist of the decade.

maybe it's because i am old.

i don't really like dan fogelberg, tho.

I still love Creek Drank the Cradle.

Me too, Daniel! And I'm not old.

i mean, i get why people dislike I & W. fwiw, his body of work resonates with me more than almost any other artist of the decade.

maybe it's because i am old.

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i think he's just one of the big "check out this sadsack w/ the beard" type lol indie targets, have never heard his music so i don't know if it's at all justified

i'm not really that old either, mordy. sometimes -- like tonight -- i just feel old.

glad to hear you like I & W!

I'm sure there are some good Mars Volta songs, but every dude I met who really liked that band was completely tweaked-like one of those jam band kids going to Sound Tribe shows and buying crystals.

Or worse, selling them for tickets!

I guess hokey mountain banjo dude shtick combined with so-inoffensive-I-have-to-whisper was too unrighteous for me circa 2004 or whatever, but now I'm better at enjoying things

I wouldn't call Iron+Wine dangerous, but inoffensive isn't really his shtick. More like pensive spiritual.

(or something.)

he should have marketed himself as the easy-listening roscoe holcomb

I bought the first Mars Volta album *and* the first Iron and Whine (lolz) album, how about that?!

Sold both the following year, fwiw.

i like the first iron and wine record too for real

i used to have that sub pop singles club 7" that was like $100 too (/ILV)

i actually might like the last i & w disc second-best (behind the debut). his lyrics aren't as sharp as they once were, but the arrangements are killer. there's a straight-up highlife song on it!

anyway, debut disc was a stunner.

(quiet is the new loud, you may have heard)