Looking back, what's the biggest bullshit, musically speaking, that you fell for in the 00s

krautrock, post-punk, new wave, dream pop/shoegaze, old-school hip hop, '90s electronic, psych/drone/noise, '00s metal, and recent R&B/hip hop/chart pop.

Well I could certainly have listed Can, Neu!, Joy Div/New Order, Wire, Cure, Human League, JAMC, MBV, Public Enemy, EPMD... onward into infinity, but what does that really accomplish that the genre list doesn't?

If anything, it's more exclusive.

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Que: what are some of your favorite bands? genuinely curious

trying to define all of that music you listed into a single spectrum is kind of a fool's errand, imho.

Then that contradicts you saying it's easy to define tastes without making a genre list -- right?

Well I could certainly have listed Can, Neu!, Joy Div/New Order, Wire, Cure, Human League, JAMC, MBV, Public Enemy, EPMD... onward into infinity, but what does that really accomplish that the genre list doesn't?

it gives the person who's asking you what kind of music you like a list of actual bands to check out versus a bunch of genre tags that mean different things to different people

If anything, it's more exclusive.

What's wrong with that?

Then that contradicts you saying it's easy to define tastes without making a genre list -- right?

you're making music, and the listening to it, far more complicated than it needs to be, in my opinion.

it gives the person who's asking you what kind of music you like a list of actual bands to check out versus a bunch of genre tags that mean different things to different people

i actually kinda agree with this, although i think "genre tags" can be a useful shorthand

wonder if any of u r learning things r becoming more fulfilled

in my experience, most of my enjoyment from music comes from people telling me about bands, or playing bands for me so i can hear them, or making mix tapes/CD's and stuff. i don't know where this fetishization for genre comes from but it's really weird and foreign to me. i think it takes the conversation away from the music.

it gives the person who's asking you what kind of music you like a list of actual bands to check out

This usually proves pointless, though. Either I'm listing names for ilxors who've heard all this stuff before, or I'm rattling off what might as well be a foreign language to someone who hears "Can" and goes "uhhh" and that's that!

you're making music, and the listening to it, far more complicated than it needs to be, in my opinion.

I try not to slap definitions on this stuff, generally, but was asked by ksh to define my tastes. A fair question, if not one I'd consider much on my own.

i think a lot of ilxors have tastes that definitely lie heavily in one set of specific genres more than others

This usually proves pointless, though. Either I'm listing names for ilxors who've heard all this stuff before, or I'm rattling off what might as well be a foreign language to someone who hears "Can" and goes "uhhh" and that's that!

can't help you with the first example, and in the second example, why not make a mix cd of your favorite can songs for someone, so they don't go uhhhh next time you mention them. mix cds are so easy to make, i dunno.

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myself included, of course

i think a lot of ilxors have tastes that definitely lie heavily in one set of specific genres more than others

so?

I do make mix CDs. Love them. The issue becomes getting friends who download music in frenzied ADHD fashion to actually listen to 60-80 minutes of a custom CD. It usually doesn't happen.

no, i agree. most of the music i love, i've been turned onto by the old fashioned method of someone playing it for me at their house, in the car, etc,

so true. this happened recently when a friend played me something Brazilian (Laura Munoz, I think?) that was very krautrock+tropicalia and I my reaction was OMG MUST HAVE. The really odd thing about this is that even in this internet age, I have since been unable to find a single goddamned thing by (or even about) her.

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I do make mix CDs. Love them. The issue becomes getting friends who download music in frenzied ADHD fashion to actually listen to 60-80 minutes of a custom CD. It usually doesn't happen.

get better friends then or don't talk to your friends about music. like i said, you're overcomplicating this.

i think i listened to that song by "the darkness" twice in a row. i regret that.

i think a lot of ilxors have tastes that definitely lie heavily in one set of specific genres more than others

lol I don't think this is true AT ALL

I'm just providing answers in a convo I didn't even start. The correct answer is: you're ILX is overcomplicating this.

you're complaining about your friends not understanding can. first world problems.

Not complaining. Just stating, as an example.

lovin this, dudes

I don't expect my friends to try to "get" Can when they are perfectly happy listening to whatever else they already like.

my fav moments with music & friends & music=sitting around in a room, pulling out seven inches*, playing records/songs for one another. it's way useful, fun, social, awesome.

*LOL

Just wait for the thread Bands you used to like but ILX turned you off them thread

i had to whisper "pigfuck" to a coworker today when he asked what pissed jeans sounded like

pulling out seven inches*

Genuine huge LOL @ this.

Mr. Que, it's weird you spend so much time on ILM given how often you dismiss the very idea of talking about music.

*talking or thinking about music.

i like talking about music! i like listening to it more. i prefer to discuss actual bands vs. theoretical genre tomfoolery though.

i had to whisper "pigfuck" to a coworker today when he asked what pissed jeans sounded like

I hope you did this while breathing heavily through your mouth and with a psychotic look in yr eye.

i prefer to discuss actual bands vs. theoretical genre tomfoolery though.

Then, let's go back to ksh's question: "Que: what are some of your favorite bands? genuinely curious"

what office do you work in that you can say "pissed jeans" out loud but have to whisper "pigfuck"?

dry cleaner's

xpost we were looking at upcoming shows and coworker pointed at the screen and the rest is history

i like Slanted and Enchanted a lot because Pavement don't sound like anyone else. the guitars sound ratty and fucked up, like the first amp you get in high school, that shitty solid state sound, but it sounds good, like the songs need those shitty guitars & the songs are awesome and catchy. some of the songs are cool and laid back and some are super wound up and ranty. there are just all these amazing moments. like when the second guitar comes in during the chorus of Perfume-V. like how the second time the chorus of "In the Mouth a Desert" came around, i knew exactly how to sing along. like how the verses of "Conduit For Sale!" i always thought S.M. sounded like an insane, paranoid newscaster. like how "Our Singer" has the Hip Priest beat but who cares. like the falsetto in "Fame Throwa." the fact that a band has a song called "Fame Throwa."

of course you later find out they ripped off some old Fall songs, but that's half the fun of music.

between here and there is even better than here or there

Hey ducky, let's stick the 7 inch in the computer!

I listened to Iron and Wine briefly, when "Creek Drank the Cradle" came out. I can't listen to him at all now. To make matters worse, I think someone on ilm compared him to Dan Fogelberg a while back. That one stuck with me.

hahahaha

what do you have against Dan Fogelberg?

I think someone on ilm compared him to Dan Fogelberg

My 50-something year old mother enjoys the sounds of both of these dudes, fwiw.

what do you have against Dan Fogelberg?

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier)

a restraining order

long story

that being said, STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY POOL, FOGELBERG!

That guy always shows up at my New Years' parties and I ALWAYS throw him out...

Fogelberg/Iron & Wine comparison is OK. I liked the first Iron & Wine record a lot -- still do! Everything else has been fairly meh. But that first one is special.

Oh that filthy Dan guy! 'Don't Fogelberg that pool' is pretty common slang round here tbh.

i thought it was a different dan that did something in John's pool so was banned from it

'Don't Poco the fridge!'

pfunkboy, I don't get that joke, maybe you could explain it?